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Help with Man J calculation

11 years ago

We live in Washington DC suburb (NW). Our house was built in 1973,
two-story, about 3400 sq ft. It has two systems, one for each floor. The
furnace downstairs broke at the end of last winter, so we are going to replace
the whole system downstairs. Thank you for folks here who helped me reach
that decision.

I have had two contractors come and give estimates, but neither was willing
to do a manual J, including the second one who spent two hours at our house
looking at everything. They both proposed 90K BTU two-stage variable
speed furnace (80% and 95% efficient, respectively) and 3-ton AC. I will
post separately about the detailed proposals once I get another two estimates
early next week.

My concern is that the proposed systems are oversized. Our current furnace
is a Bryant 397GAW036100 from the early 1980s (100K BTU input, maybe only
60-65% efficient?), and the AC is a 3-ton Fedders from the 1970s. We set the thermostat at 79 in the summer and
68 in the winter. I timed the downstairs AC one afternoon when it was 89
outside. The AC would turn on for 6-7
minutes and off about 15 minutes. Below
are the screen shots of my Man J calculation.
I have to guess at a lot of things (e.g. insulation), but tried to be
conservative. I got a total of 105K BTU
heating and about 6-ton cooling for the whole house. Since this is for downstairs and considering
our lifestyle, I feel a 2-ton single-stage AC will be the most
cost-effective. A 3-ton two-stage AC
will work also but cost more $$$$. For
the furnace, I feel 60-70K BTU at 95% efficiency will be sufficient.

Since I will have to convince the contractors to downsize their proposals,
I'd really appreciate any advice from the experts here.

Jeff


Comments (5)

  • 11 years ago

    Trying again to upload a higher resolution pic...

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  • 11 years ago

    "I got a total of 105K BTU heating and about 6-ton cooling for the whole house."

    That does not seem right for a 3400 sq. foot house with the indoor design temperatures you used. I am not sure about the accuracy of the on line calculators. You could spend $49 and get a copy of HVAC-calc if you want to do your own calculation.

    Is the first floor about 1700 sq. feet? If so 60K BTU at 95%, and 2 ton AC is about right. You have seen the 3 ton AC short cycle, so you know it is too big. A most you may need a 2.5 ton, but I doubt it.

    Keep looking for a contractor that will do a load calculation. There has to be one in the DC area. The standard indoor design temps are 75 in summer, and 72 in winter. This is what will likely be used if someone does a load calculation.

  • 11 years ago

    Thanks, Mike. The first floor is 1700 sq ft. There are about 400 sq ft open to the second floor.

    Jeff

  • 11 years ago

    What was it like when it was 98F? We had over 50 days over 90f this year.

  • 11 years ago

    This past summer has been really mild for us. Just checked the temperature history. We only had one day of 95 and no other day above 93! In the last 6 summers since we bought the house, we've never felt any need for more cooling than our 40-year old 3-ton AC can deliver. If my calculation of 6 ton total is reasonable, does the distribution of 1/3 to downstairs sound about right? Obviously, a 3-ton 2-stage is likely a safe option, but considering our cooling need, it feels a bit hard to justify the $1500 differential I got from one contractor (Lennox XC-21 vs XC-14, both 3-ton).

    Jeff