Jericson I am learning! You have much to do with it too. I hope you don't mind me posting this list of abbreviated names for Thai Soco and Arabicum. Since we are deep into the topic, I thought it would be a good place to share this list.

BG -Black Giant

BK- Bangkla

CP -Chada Petch

DB-Diamond Bell

DC- Diamond Crown

EBA- Emerald Big Arms

EC -Emerald Crown

GB- Golden Bell

GC- Golden Crown

GT -Gold Tank

KHZ -Kaho hin Zhon

MHB- My Hunny Bunny

MKMK-Muang Kong Mora-KOT

NPY -NangPaya

PBN - Petch Ban Naaaaa

PBN -Peth Ba Na

PKK -Petch Krung Kao

PLPY -PetLumpaya

PMK -Petch Muang Kong

PNW- Petch Na Wang

RCN- rach chi nee pandok

SC -Siam Crown

YLB -Yak Lop Buri

YS -Yak Saudi

YSB -Yak Sing Buri

YY -Yak Yemen

If I understand properly then this list contains most of the "classics" of Arabicum and Thai Soco. Is this correct?

Tracy

everyone is so helpful, when I first started going over the adeniums in the forum I couldn't find too much on this topic. the more it gets posted the more will show up on Google when other people start getting into adeniums! I think that's great!

Bob I agree, so cool that we can share information and learn from one another. I am writing an article for my local plant club's newsletter about Thai Arabicum, so I havre been on a mission for details. I am hoping this could help generate some Adenium interest amongst the local growers.

I would love to read your article some time you should open another thread when you are done and share it, or maybe PM me sometime with it!

Good, Good, Good stuff!!!

Rob

These trees are all fantastic. Y'all add so much knowledge and pleasure for us.

I was just going to send you here, Rob!!

Thank you Tracy for posting..

BK = Blackhawk. ( for Rob)

It's all great information!!

thank you all...

Laura

Thanks for sharing the link in your other post Laura!

bob most of your seeds right now is classics, i grow obesum, arabicum and thai soco seeds, thai soco went nuts, arabicum was the slowest, obesum grew faster, i use to have that germination kit for aerogarden i have the one for aerogarden 7,

Time for the DK to leaf out under some rays. Lifted one of the LEDs so not to burn her beautiful skin.

He/she looks like the pimp of the tent lol bad ass and lovely rolled into one :-)

Thanks Phil. I am quite enamored with her beauty. She's a she, my Thai Socos are the he's. LOL.

Looks so good. The feature tree.

The color and effect kinda of reminded me of some night club. All the smaller ones and the DK on stage.

Rick

Tracy, spectacular tree! Take good care of it. :-)

Talking of arabicums and Thai socotranums etc... We should tread carefully here. In biological classification, the different "arabicums" and Thai socotranums are not species nor subspecies. Some are not even cultivars. They are hybrids (with an unknown genetic makeup) and they will most likely not come true from seed or by asexual propagation. You might as well name them yourself. ;-) Their growth form is achieved by horticultural practices. Pruning and wiring from early on, that is. I bet that this Dino breeder only selects some seedlings (from a larger batch) for sale based on certain growth form criteria and then trains them to the desired shape. But this does not make them cultivars. If the frequency of these traits is rather low, you could argue that the trees should not be named at all. Based on interviews with Thai growers, Mark "Adenium Expert #1" Dimmitt is certainly not convinced that the many named cultivars are in fact cultivars. ;-) I could be wrong in this case, though.

Cultivars or not, the trees of this Dino fellow are quite showy. :-)

hi where to get that beautiful fat adenium

Hi Edan, this came from Thailand from a breeder named Dino. He is a friend of Jericson's. Top notch breeder.

In fact today my big DK opened her first bloom! I want to share a photo but she is so hard to get out of the tent. I have to empty half the tent to remove her or to even rotate her.

Perhaps she will be picture-ready by next weekend. She has a good show of small leaves and several blooms.

Tracy

Dino King picture update. A few leaves and blooms have arrived!

Check out the beautiful throat on these blooms!

That's a beautifully formed tree Tracy, congrats on your purchase, I hope it continues to thrive in your care. How big is it please, I may have missed this somewhere, but it would be good to see it with something to compare it too when you have time :) thanks for sharing.

Gill UK

Tracy, what a beautiful specimen, I wish I had one that looks that nice! I have Dino's information somewhere...I'll have to consider one now that I'm in my new place.. maybe for late spring.

Tracy, no need for the pics, I didn't follow all of this thread through so have now found pics which show its size earlier on :)

Gill UK

Looking so special, Tracy. You do such a marvelous job with these trees. Quite impressive.

Rick

Thanks everyone for your kind words. I am so fond of her, wish I could observe her more frequently. She hides in the tent all day long. This Spring, perhaps! Dino had me trim up the leaves on the right side to let more sun in to keep the growth balanced. I have also moved it closer to the LED, no more babying this little girl! The roots are filling in really nicely, it is easy to get a good peak at them through the top layer of coir.

Tracy

Did I mention that the blooms go on forever? This is what I love about single blooms, they last a lifetime.

Hi Tracy,

Very cool trees!! I'd like to ask, do the leaves on that tree feel velvety, or are they smooth and glossy?

Rob

Thanks Rick, I am needing to get her rotated more often, she is trying to grow lopsided on me. I literally have to empty half the tent to rotate her, so it can't be done daily. Can't wait for Spring to arrive and I can get her outdoors.

Tracy

Thanks, Halocline. The leaves are glossy. She has part Thai Socotranum bred into her, but she is mostly Arabicum. With these genetics the leaves should remain glossy.

Tracy

Stunning! The raw meat meals do indeed do wonders. ;-)

How about putting your monster adenium on a circular woody plate on wheels? It's easier to turn and move heavy plants this way...

It just beautiful! How close do you have it to the LED light? I have mine about 24 inches above it, and am getting some brown leaf edges. No more sign of aphids or other insects. I'm not sure if it's our hard water, or the light.

Karen I started with her about 18 inches away, worried that I would burn her skin. She is now about 10 inches away from the LED and fully submerged directly beneath it. I will be spot checking her regularly.

Good to hear that you are insect free! My tent is as well. The treatment has been really hard on the small seedlings that don't have many leaves. I found that my dormant plants had some mite action today but I zapped em.

If you are 24 inches away it shouldn't be burning the leaves. Have you given her any fertilizer?

Tracy

Martin a turn table is a great idea. Now if I can find a drip tray with wheels that would be even better.

Here's a photo from today.

Tracy, the only fertilizer this one has had is osmacote granules mixed into the soil mix. We do have very hard water in Arizona. It's slightly better in NM. Maybe I should buy distilled or some other water that might not be as alkaline.

pmk - If you think it's the pH, you could buy a test kit and some pH adjuster (they sell "up" & "down") Buying water would get expensive.

Perhaps someone you know has a TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) meter. Too many DS in the water can impair the plant's ability to uptake nutrients properly

Rob

Tracy, thoughts on a wheeled drip tray for you.....look out for cake icing turntables, they're specifically designed to rotate very easily usually within their own 'circle of space' as they're spun around on ball bearings usually as opposed to wheeled drip trays which can, and do move around 'outside their circumference' if you see what I'm trying to explain! A drip tray could be used on top of the turntable with no prob if necessary. Hope this may help you.

Gill UK

Yes Gill it does make sense . I need the former, so it spins only the desired portion. Jericson has one of these out in his garden. He was posting videos of his trees spinning in circles. Thank you for the idea.

Thanks, Rob. I tend to pool water, so I will check our water at both places to see what might be needed. I know there are a lot of dissolved solids by looking at my dishwashers!

Hi Tracy,

I wanted to ask you. How big is your grow tent, and do you use exhaust fans? I was wondering how humid it get's.

Thanks,

Rob

I'm interested in your humidity, too, Tracy. I had one fan installed to exhaust air and pull it in but the air outside isn't humid at all. My humidity fell to 25% in the tent. I shut off the fan, and it stays around 76% in there. I also open the door twice every day and run a big fan to clear out stale air.

It took 16 days for one seed to germinate, and after 18 days I have 2 germinated. They were really slow for some reason, but I'm not giving up. I'm surprised they took so long in what should be fairly decent conditions.

PMK, did you have the seeds on top of the heat mat or raised off as Tracy does in her tent. These are for her trees once germinated and adult.

I would be starting mine in a self contained propagator on top of a heat mat until 50 - 60 % of seeds germinated, take out of propagator, but leave on heat mat until the majority have germinated. Then I would put into tent.

Trying to keep the tent at the required humidity for germination of seed is too much effort and not necessary.

16 days is along time, but I am glad that you are getting them up.

Rick

Hello everyone! The humidity in the tent stays at about 75%. I open it up twice a day and use a box fan on medium or high to flush the air for a good 10 to 15 minutes in the morning. At night I open it up for at least an hour and flush the air while I am watering my brood.

I have a 6 inch clip on fan that blows air 24 hours a day across the top of all of my plants inside the tent. I have an 8 inch exhaust vent open on the ceiling of the tent where the exhaust from the LEDs escapes at all times. I don't currently have intake or exhaust devices but I am currently researching them with the forethought that I will be traveling soon. The humidity is very extreme, so I keep a towel next to the tent door that I occasionally use to clear some of the condensation. I have another clip on fan that I will be installing on the back side of the tent next weekend. It wasn't necessary until I recently installed the 3rd LED. The condensation increased so I am going to move the air a bit more.

Karen 16 to 18 days to germinate is not normal by any means. It sounds like the seeds were old. By the way, PM me Karen I have some Adenium photos to send to you via email if you are interested.

Tracy

My seed tray was directly on top of the heat mat, and had a plastic hood over them. I'd water and mist daily. It was really a long time to germinate. I'm just glad they are finally coming up. I have 3 up now.

My big adenium is finally almost ready to start blooming, but the buds are in all stages. Only 3 or 4 will open at the same time. I can't believe how long it takes them to form and open!

I'm sorry Tracy, what are the dimensions of your tent? Also, I don't believe I've read anywhere, what kind of LED's are you using?

Thanks,

Rob

Rob the tent is 4'9" x 4'9" x 7". I am using 3 Mars Hydro Reflector 96 units.

it definitely sounds like older seeds, Karen. Sometimes these take a little longer pre soak, prior to sowing. Problem is you do not know this at the time.

Those buds can seem to take "forever to open", but worth the wait. Longer for Triples and Quads.

Rick

Karen I can't wait to see photos of your big plant blooming! Also I discovered that if the seeds get too hot they may not germinate, so make sure you have something separating the tray from the mat. Took me a while to get the heat just right for germinating after I started using heat mats.

Tracy

Tracy: I just got my 3 Dino Thong tonnam Thai Arabicum's. You last posted pics of yours in January. I would love to see updates. His plants are fantastic and inexpensive when little like my 6 months olds. I will open another thread later, I just thought an update of yours would be nice if you had the time. Thanks

I also know you were getting new ones from Dino also. Did you get those?

Hi Marica. I am waiting on my latest Dino order, it should arrive Tuesday I think. I will post an update on these beauties this weekend. I looked at the pics and thought wow Peth Phunlan is huge now! I am moving stuff outside today so I will get some updated photos and post them here for you.

Tracy

Marica I have posted the update in a brand new thread here.

Peth Phunlan had to be cut out of her fabric pot today, about 7 months after arriving. The roots are a single ball mass!