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Phoenix Canariensis slowly dying

10 years ago

Dear readers of gardenweb,
Sadly my date palm has been suffering from grayish brown to black discoloration on the leaves which started on the outermost tips of the oldest fronds.

On the directions that came with the plant it says to water often and keep the soil moist so thats what i've been doing.

I havent given it any nutrition, could this be the cause or does it look more like a mold problem?

Pictures:
http://imgur.com/0aR9MFv
http://imgur.com/3ISCl07
I'm very worried since the tip of the spear is now also affected.
http://imgur.com/F0Sqp9Z

What's this affliction and what can I do?

Comments (15)

  • 10 years ago

    What affliction? I can only see some slightly browning tips.

    Your posting gives NO information on growing conditions (sun, potting, soil..., etc.) But (without any other information), it sounds like you are drowning it with excessive watering. This species does not appreciate constantly saturated conditions.

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks for your reply. I thought the images would speak for themselves since it's not just normal browning. It's a pale grayish color with black spots and as you can see there is no yellowing.

    The soil is still the same as when i bought it 6 months ago because I haven't repotted the plant. The sunlight it gets is about 10 feet from the window.

    Could the directions on the store label be wrong then? It says this plant needs a lot of water and can be left in a filled strainer... I did not do this since it seemed a bit excessive. I've watered it something like a cup every day.


  • 10 years ago
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    Yeah, a cup every day is too much. The soil needs to be well draining, like a cactus mix, and you should water only once the soil dries out from top to about two inches below the surface. These palms are not the sort that like consistently moist soil, let alone damp soil.

    They also appreciate full sun.

    User thanked oldmangroot
  • 10 years ago

    Doesn't look too serious to me… just older leaves suffering from some stress (source of stress never clear from a photo- all stress browning similar). Does sound like too little light, though… these palms do very poorly as indoor palms… need full sun (outdoors) to do well.

    User thanked palmbob
  • 10 years ago

    It's serious enough since it will eventually kill the plant in about 2 years from now if I don't do anything about it.

    I will try watering it every week instead of every day. Also I'm gonna try to free up some space closer to the window.

    Doesn't it need some type of fertilizer?

  • 10 years ago

    Hi

    Where are you located??Can't imagine growing a CIP as a house plant , Have you ever seen a mature one??Gigantic in every respect lol They are very common as yard trees in this area . They are planted in the florida sand and pretty much ignored except for pruning. They quickly dominate the landscape

    Are you sure it's a CIP?? can't imagine ,advice to keep it moist as these are desert palms ?? gary

  • 10 years ago

    I'm in the Netherlands so keeping it outside would definitely kill it, since the temperature in all seasons (except summer) averages well under 60 degrees F. It doesn't grow very fast here, they sell them when they're still small.

    I don´t know what CIP means but I'm sure its a Phoenix Canariensis because it looks exactly like pictures of the same kind that I can find on the internet. Maybe the watering directions are in favor of the merchant hoping he can sell you a new plant when it dies...

  • 10 years ago

    hi

    CIP means canary island date palm . Could see where it would be tough in your climate !! One question though what will you do if it does grow??lol

    There are sooo many other palms much more suited to house culture . I wouldn't even recommend a canary as a landscape plant,they hog the entire area lol How about a dwarf date ?? Doubles /triples will pot culture for years and remain under 10/15 feet. though I suspect it will be difficult to provide enough light . Anyway good luck with the canary!!! gary

  • 10 years ago

    If it will really grow too big then I could always sell it but maybe in the meantime when that does happen I might have alrready moved to a bigger place. I recon the perfect spot would be inside a sunroom or greenhouse type of deal.

    The reason I bought it was because it was on sale and the only other one they had was some type of petticoat palm that I didn't like. They are pretty common as indoor plants here though. Since it was my first plant ever I wanted something big to green the place up a little bit, but in hindsight I would have been better off buying multiple smaller plants and researching them before buying because she does take up a lot of room. Not that I regret it, we're still happy together :)

    Thanks for the feedback.

  • 10 years ago

    I LOVE Canary palms. But I would NEVER consider bringing them into the house. They are massive and dangerously prickly. Mine are in big, plastic garbage cans and stay outside from March till November..., then into a large, loft garage. Still, they will eventually get too big (so I have smaller ones around to take their place eventually). But, I agree, Phoenix roebellini is a better choice for most circumstances. These are TERRIFIC palms also. Given enough sun, Pygmies will get big, develop a trunk, bloom..., and be somewhat less lethal! There really is a reason, Pygmy Dates are soooo popular as indoor palms.,

  • 10 years ago

    Does the garage provide a lot of sun and do you prune your palms? I just looked up the pygmies, they do look pretty cool. Like a miniature version of a grown coconut palm tree.

  • 10 years ago
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    Southern exposure..., all day in the garage even in midwinter, and we are cold in the winter but not that cloudy as other cold,northern areas so, yes, sunny. (Now in moderate drought, so, do need RAIN.) No, no pruning. Telling you, Pygmies are in many respects, quite the superior indoor palm. You get a decent trunk on them when they are still..., "pygmies".

  • 10 years ago

    Hi

    I think if I were in your situation I'd opt for Chamaedorea or Licuala palms They do very well in pots ,low light needs , very slow growing very soft foliage they do require warm temps and high humidity but indoors shouldn't be too much of a problem?? Many varieties to chose from in form and habit,many can be grown from seed giving many years as a houseplant?? gary

  • 10 years ago

    When I lived in Washington, DC I had an indoor CIDP. Started it as a seedling and it grew very well indoors for me. I knew it wasn't long term so I had given it to a palm enthusiast further south when it reached about 5 feet tall (fronds, not trunk). It actually took off indoors for me against a south facing patio door. Had it about 4 years. Nice thing about them is they were one of my only palms that didn't have pest problems. Good luck.

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