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Aloha's colour?

10 years ago

Seeing Sara-ann's post on Boerner's roses reminded me of Aloha. I see different photos of this rose that give very different ideas of it's actual colour,so I was wondering, can anyone describe it to me verbally? The photos on HMF (and elsewhere) show two pretty distinct variations: one is definitely a true "rose pink"; i.e., with warm and cool tones equally balanced. But other photos show a decidedly warm-toned deep pink,leaning towards the coral/salmon range. I've also seen printed photos of this rose's flowers, which are equally confusing. Colours are so variable, according to the light in which they are photographed, and the way they are viewed on one's computer, so I would like to know if anyone can describe the colour to me; basically, is this rose a warm or a cool pink colour? How does the colour compare to that of, say "Parade" or "Pink Cloud"? Thanks in advance!

Comments (18)

  • 10 years ago

    Bart, My Aloha color was like that posted by Meetza on hmf. Photo is labeled Petrovic Roses. Rather like the color of Easy Does It.

  • 10 years ago

    Aloha should start out a rose pink and then the outer petals go to a mauve pink. In this photo the outer petals are just starting into


    a mauve shade. Oh course it will depend on your monitor.

  • 10 years ago

    There are two climbing roses named Aloha one by Boemer (1949) a lovely pink.

    One by Kordes Roses in 2003 an apricot blend, Perhaps this is the confusion.

  • 10 years ago

    My young rose has only had two blooms but they were on the cool side, ranging from a lighter to a darker pink on one rose, and the other one I frankly can't remember except that it was also a cool pink.

  • 10 years ago

    In this close up shot of an Aloha bloom, to me the outer petals look pink, but I see an orange tinge on the inner petals. This is typical of my Aloha blooms.

  • 10 years ago

    Kordes rose is called Kordes Aloha Hawaii or Aloha Hawaii. I know when you register a rose in another country, you have to give it a different name, but it sure gets confusing. Here is Aloha Hawaii a real thug of a climber.


  • 10 years ago

    Mine has peachy tones. I'm not a great fan of 'Aloha', as it happens: it's too stiff for me. Certainly a good grower and bloomer and tough plant though.

  • 10 years ago

    Thank you all! but here again I'm hearing/ seeing two different descriptions of the Boerner rose.Plus, on HMF, I don't see any pictures posted by Meetza or Petrovic! https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.153&tab=36&qn=1&qc=0    On my monitor, the pics on HMF of Easy Does It all show a very orangey colour...

  • 10 years ago
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    The pic of Aloha Hawaii posted by posted by oldrosarian is exactly what mine looked like. Here though colors could be stronger in cool weather and a little more pink tones in the heat. Time dims the memory I guess Easy Does it was not a good example. My Aloha did not show orange tones.

  • 10 years ago

    vasue Thats the best explanation color tones I have heard in a long time. In complicated colored blooms it is also capable of radiating a tone brought on by what she's planted by as the eye picks up the different shades. Rather like planting a purple toned rose in front of a true purple clematis.

  • 10 years ago

    But vasue and Patty, are you talking about Kordes "Aloha" or the Boerner "Aloha"??? All of the tones described by vasue are ones the I would call decidedly "warm": "golden peach" "pale salmon" "pale terracotta""pastel pink and apricot buff": these are all warm tones...I thought that the term "cool pink " would describe a colour...a deep pink, that leans more towards the lavender/ "mauve"/purple /blue range of the colour wheel...

  • 10 years ago

    Mine is Aloha the Kordes climber. When I purchased mine it was only referred to as Aloha. Imagine my confusion had I ended up with the Boerner Aloha.

  • 10 years ago

    Didn't David Austin use Aloha in his early breeding programs? I believe Charles Austin and Abraham Darby and some of the yellows have Aloha in their background, although I think it was used more for its vigour than bloom shape or colour.

  • 10 years ago

    Vasue's talking about Boerner's 'Aloha'. It's basically pink, with cooler or warmer tints, though it sounds as though Vasue's plant can have warmer toned blooms than I'm accustomed to see. Sara-Ann's photo looks like my rose does.

  • 10 years ago
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    No salmon or coral colours on my Boerner Aloha bought from Beales. Just a deep(ish) neutral pink which, as with most pink roses, varies with the weather. Jasmina, nearby, is a very light pink in warmer weather which turns into deeper cool pink with some magenta tones when it's cool. Rosarium Uetersen, also nearby, can get these salmon tones in warm weather but its a hot warm pink right now.

  • 10 years ago
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    Bart, I'm speaking of Boerner's Aloha '49. (Also grow Kordes' Aloha Hawaii, but that's a very different rose.) Nik's "neutral" pink is what I see here, a clear pink without yellow (warm) or blue (cool) tones - neither warm nor cool. As oldrosarian explains & illustrates with her photo in the second reply on this thread, the upper petals at the rim begin to blue to a mauve pink (cool) as the bloom matures. You can observe this on Sara-Ann's photo as well in her fifth reply. She also notes an orange tinge, while Melissa mentions peachy tones, so closer to the pale warm tones I see in the center hearts of Aloha here than other replies indicate.

    I think the photo on Beales' website illustrates the range well. The smaller blossom not yet fully expanded shows the warm heart/center, while the open bloom shows lighter, more blued tints that gradually pale toward the perimeter.

    http://www.classicroses.co.uk/products/roses/aloha/

    (Regarding Beales' info: In this garden, the blooms are seldom "muddled", but rather hybrid tea spirals or quartered. Hips are freely produced. Thorns are numerous but well spaced, making the branches easy to manipulate, neither hooked nor spiked. Their estimate of 10'x6' may be average - mine is 12'x8' with arching. They also manage to misspell the breeder's name.)

    Wondering about the coloration in multiple gardeners' experiences, found several descriptions similar to mine in the References section of HMF's Aloha entry. https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.153.0&tab=7

    In his 1997 book Climbing Roses, Christopher Warner mentions "pink with a terracotta center". Peter Harkness notes "rose and salmon-pink blooms" in Favorite Roses (1996). In The Graham Stuart Thomas Rose Book (1994), Thomas describes Aloha as "good rose-pink with deeper reverses and a warm shading of orange-pink" and "clear rose-pink with much deeper reverse...coppery in the centre". In Gardening with Old Roses (1993), authors Sinclair & Thodey report "A warm rose-pink with apricot and darker rose tonings", while Scanniello & Bayard note "various shades of pink, sometimes with a hint of orange" in their Climbing Roses (1994). Other authors tell of "two-tone pink flushed with salmon" (Macoboy, The Ultimate Rose Book, 1993); "rose pink with a deeper reverse, and copper-pink shadings" (Harkness & Moody, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Roses, 1993); "clear pink shaded salmon" (Foster-Mellier, The Book of The Rose, 1991); "rose-pink with a deeper reverse with shadings of magenta and highlights of salmon" (Beales, Twentieth-Century Roses, 1998); and "medium pink with lavender-pink reverse" (Taylor, Taylor's Guide to Roses, 1986).

    My takeaway is that only by growing it will you find which colorways Aloha will express in your garden. In general, whether at a distance or up close, it reads as a medium neutral pink with a more saturated reverse. It's various tints are soft ones, like glints in silk, never brash.

  • 10 years ago
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    Ozmelodye, yes, you're right - Austin did bring Aloha into his breeding program. (Charles Austin - Chaucer x Aloha 1973; Lilian Austin - Aloha x The Yeoman 1973 & Abraham Darby - Aloha x Yellow Cushion 1985.) Austin had this to say:

    "Still looking for strength and health, we turned to the climber 'Aloha'. Apart from great vigour, it had true 'Old Rose' flowers that were extremely fragrant. We were successful in passing on its strength and raised a number of vigorous fragrant varieties, including the strong-growing apricot yellow 'Charles Austin'." http://www.historicroses.org/index.php?id=45

    In 2005, Ed Cunningham wrote an article on Eugene S. Boerner, in which he included: "Help-Me-Find shows that David Austin has used Aloha almost profligately in his program: Aloha is thrice a parent, and 31 times a grand-parent, for Austin alone !" http://www.rirs.org/boerner.htm