Moving this up as it has gotten no responses. Hopefully someone who gardens in a cold zone will see it. I am in zone 9 and so cannot offer any advice.

Jackie

They will winter in the garage, so that changes the discussion.

Carol....

...'The Poet's Wife'.... lots of blooms, nice citrusy scent, very lemony, not myrrh...

..mine does black spot late summer, but not enough sun probably....

..blooms with different shades of yellow, some lighter some darker.... blooms in clusters with an open shrubby habit.... hope you like... I can't comment on the others...

Oh that is soooooo gorgeous!!!!! Thank you Marlorena!! I've really been wanting a lemony rose, and I love the different shades of yellow. Blackspot isn't usually an issue here, so that's okay.

Sheila - thanks! You're right - it does change the conversation. I love how you put that.

Carol

I'm wondering what the fragrance is like on Wedding Bells and Belinda's Dream. Are they strong enough for a self-professed fragrance snob?? :)

Carol

That is such a beautiful bouquet, Marlorena. Love those luscious yellows.

Carol, the only rose on your list I have experience with is Young Lycidas, a rose that is sort of teetering on the fence of my "to keep or not keep decision." YL is quite cold sensitive, but should do OK in a garage. His blooms don't do very well in the heat, either (Mr. Prima Donna). He could bloom more, too, and the blooms don't photograph well, either. Oh, and his canes are very floppy. Is there anything good about poor YL? Well, the large blooms are really quite gorgeous--they just don't photo well, as I said. His floppy canes actually fit in well with other stiffer more upright plants and roses, and he gives the overall impression of an OGR, but one that is a little bright. So, I have just one semi decent photo of YL. The more accurate color is of the rose just behind the largest front bloom. Diane

Young Lycidas

Let me see if I can find a photo of YL "fitting in" with plants around him. Oops.

Diane - thanks for such lovely pictures!!! Your Julia Child, as always, is incredible (dreamy sigh). I just can't imagine having so many blooms. Colette is a dream boat too!!!! Do you think it has enough oomph to climb over the trellis?

Your Young Lycidas is beautiful, and what you show would look lovely in a pot for me. I would be quite happy with that. I think I could do what (I hate that I can never remember who said/showed what.) ??? showed with tying up her YL. I could use a peony cage, I think.

That was very helpful and delightful!!!

Carol

Beautiful pictures! Carol, I only have Belinda's Dream, which for me is a great rose. It has a beautiful spring flush, and sets on blooms throughout the season. Mine only has a light fragrance, but I think it is more fragrant for some. It does ball when it rains a lot, but that is its only fault. I don't know if you like to bring roses indoors, it looks great in bouquets though.

The roses you named all sound like good choices.

Oh my freakin' goodness!!!! Talk about gorgeous!!!! I don't care about the scent - I have to have this rose!!! Sheesh!!!!

This is my rose list combined from two places:

1. Broceliande

2. Parfume de Grasse

3. Sweet Beauty

4. Chartreuse de Parme

5. Radox Bouquet

6. Roberta Bondar

7. Olivia Rose Austin

8. The Poet's Wife

9. Wedding Bells

10. Young Lycidas

You all have been a great help. The only one I'm not sure about is Wedding Bells. The fragrance is supposed to be moderate myrrh. If it's straight myrrh, I probably won't like it. Anyone have experience with this rose?

Ooooh!!! I can't wait for spring!!!

Carol

Belinda's Dream is very well-scented here - nothing faint about it. Some have said its fragrance gets stronger as the plant matures. That may prove true with yours, Sara-Ann, and your photos show the lushness of leaves & flowers beautifully. On a fragrance scale of 1-10, Fragrant Cloud is a ten for me - can literally taste its perfume from several feet away. Belinda's Dream scores a deeply satisfying 8, with a come-hither perfume that whisks me away nose-to-rose. She inherited her scent from her mama Tiffany & added a few complex notes of her own. Member ratings on HMF give her an Excellent-. http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.574&tab=34 She's yet to ball for me - and we get a lot of rain - but in very wet weather she'll sometimes hold her blown petals rather than dropping them cleanly. She's shown great health in this humid no spray garden, if that's a consideration for you, and blooms generously from early to late, which we all appreciate. Her buds spiral open remarkably slowly & last well in the garden & the vase. The Spring flush looks like Sara-Ann's, yet blooms often quarter as the seasons progress. The pair of own root Belinda's Dreams came from ARE as 2-gallons & have quickly filled out into a shrub form in contrast to the more slender form of Tiffany grown in previous gardens. Belinda's Dream is just studded with blooms, like a child's drawing of a rose. A happy rose here. Wish she came in every color!

This is Young Lycidas... in a pot (previous yard). Fragrance is one of the characteristics I look for in a rose, and that of Young Lycidas', I would place among the best... IMHO. My oldest plant, shown here in the pot, is going into its third season now. Fortunately, the gangly growth is beginning to improve. Mine are all grafted, very heat tolerant, with a fairly quick repeat. All three of mine are in pots, sitting in the hottest part of my yard since May, awaiting their raised planter to be built this Spring. They are not at their best , but have survived just fine, and still bloom.

Olivia Austin Rose is new for me this year. Hopefully I will get it planted early tomorrow.

Belinda's Dream is almost always in bloom, has a nice shape and decent fragrance.

The color of Carding Mill varies from truly orange to apricot and ??? The fragrance is moderately strong.

Good Luck :)

Lynn

Oh I'm so happy that I asked here. :)

I am so excited that Belinda's Dream smells wonderful!! Thank you Vasue for all the information you gave. It was very helpful!!

Lynn - I've decided not to get Carding Mill. Eleven new roses is enough to get, and Carding Mill just didn't appeal to me that much. :) I'm excited about YL's fragrance!!! You make it sound wonderful!! And the plant is growing out of its gangliness - that's good to know. I love the look of yours in the pot. I would be happy enough with that. Belinda's Dream (on HMF) is said to have a lot of flowers. Your experience says the same.

Thank you all for your help!! I'm so happy!

Carol

Hi again, Carol, I think your idea of using a peony hoop with Young Lycidas is a good one; you could also try a tomato cage or the 3' green wire fence sections for holding up YL. Some of these suggestions would work better (maybe after a year or two of maturity in a really large pot.). Nippstress (Cynthia) suggested these last two. Colette has already made it up and partially over the arbor. I'm expecting her to go down the other side this coming season, but a clematis is awaiting her. Should be interesting.

Sara, those blooms of Belinda's Dream are exquisite--makes my mouth water, and now I want her again. I've been on and off for several years about BD because of lack of space, but boy, your photos make hard to resist. Diane

Nanadoll - do you mean use the hoop/cages after a year or two - just leave them alone support-wise until then?

Wow!! Colette sounds like an awesome rose!!! Looks amazing!! Can't wait for pics!!

Carol

Carol, those roses are going to be beautiful! Vasue, I am hoping my Belinda's Dream does become more fragrant, yours sounds wonderful! Thank you, Diane, if you do decide to get it , I can't imagine BD being anything but a great rose for you, your roses are all so lovely!

I haven't actually tried these methods of support, but was just asking Cynthia what she did with her roses that flopped into each other. Right now I tie my roses up, if necessary, with plastic twisty that comes on a reel, using bamboo stakes for the support. It's not the best method, so I thought I'd try Cynthia's suggestions. I would think to disguise the tomato cage or green wire fence, you'd want the rose to have some growth on it. It would only work in a really big pot, I'd think. Diane

Yeah, I have really big pots. I'll make it work. :)

Hi Carol, Diane

Sorry I haven't been chiming in lately - life as always is getting busy. To add to what Diane said about the cages, I plop a circle of the flexible green wire fencing that's about 2 feet tall around any rose at any point that is annoying me by flopping too much. They sell the 2' wire fencing at hardware and farm supply stores in big rolls for maybe $10-15. I can get at least a dozen or more loops of this fencing that are maybe 18" in diameter, and I just open the loops out and gather the fencing around the outside edges of all the floppy canes (or branches of things like peonies), then hook the open wire ends around the other end of the fence to reform the circle when things look to be more or less upright. Often the rose can then hold the fence upright, but you can push the bottom edges into the dirt for stability around the sides. This is way cheaper and easier than peony rings, and more attractive to my eyes than the tomato cages, but the principle is the same.

I also have rings of the stiffer 4' high green wire rolls that I use for taller floppy roses, or roses that haven't decided if they want to climb yet. This fencing is harder to cut (get sturdy wire cutters), but it's stronger. It also doesn't have the poky bits at the base to push into the soil, so you'd have to use some soil staples or other stakes to attach it down to the soil if it leans too much on the circles. I find that as long as the rose is more or less symmetrical, I can hook these taller circles around the canes and the flat circles at the base of the wires can hold things upright.

As for disguising the green wire, I find that once the rose has any foliage at all on it these cages largely disappear unless the fence is taller than the rose. You can put the cage around it when you start to see new growth if you like, or circle the wire around the rose at any time it's bugging you. There's high tolerance of this method for lazy gardening, which is why it suits me. The wire cages can either be stored as loops wherever you store your tomato cages (if you're too lazy to unhook them like me) or rolled flat for storage if you're more efficient. I see no reason why either of these methods wouldn't work in pots, though if you're getting over 4' of floppy growth in your zone you have to wonder how well suited the rose is for a pot.

Your list of roses looks very nice, and I grow all of these that you had on your latest Saturday list more or less unprotected in zone 5, except Olivia Rose is on order and I don't have the Poet's wife. I'd say Roberta Bondar, Radox Bouquet, and the lovely Broceliande are the least hardy, but since you wheel them into protection in zone 3 anyway it's not an issue. I quite like the blooms of Wedding Bells - a true HT form with a little darker pink than the photos of Belinda's Dream - though I'm useless to report on its fragrance since my nose isn't good for any of these. I'd post a picture but my photo flashdrive isn't cooperating for the time being.

Hope this helps.
Cynthia

Thanks, Cynthia. You really clarified some things for me. I have the roll of fence and also the taller green fence. I didn't realize you could use both in different situations, but I'm going to try it. Diane

That was very helpful!!! I'm glad you told me about Broceliande, because my friend wants to order that rose. She can't overwinter hers in the garage - but she does manage with stryofoam slabs. I'll let her know this one will be difficult for her to overwinter.

Oh.....maybe I should get Wedding Bells. Okay, twist my arm LOL

Carol

I can't offer much help Carol but can't wait to see your new rose pics next year... :-)

Thanks, Jim!

Me too!

Carol

Too late to edit, need to correct my flub on Belinda's Dream's parents. Her seed mama is Jersey Beauty & Tiffany is her pollen papa.

Is it Spring yet?