Wow, sounds great! Guess I'll hafta wait until they do get the website done. I'm happy to hear that the Delbards are good to go. Those are the ones I mainly want, and some of their own varieties as well! I don't care what the rootstocks are. DR HUEY and MULTIFLORA do fine here in my climate. Can't wait now....

Thanks L G! I emailed them this morning, will wait and see if I can grow these roses in my cold zone garden:

Dermalogica Passion

Otto de Jager

Relais & Chateaux

Gulilah

Figaro Panarosa

I'd love to be their cold zone rose tester if they need one. :-)

Ooooh! They're up to 8 pages now. Many duplicates, but some more roses added! Yippee!! More stripeys!!

They're offering Robert Rippetoe's Miracle on the Hudson, which comes from Certified in Texas.

Certified does not graft on multiflora do they?

Certified Roses uses DR HUEY I believe. Another of Certified's roses that they added is MIRANDA LAMBERT.

I have a feeling Ludwig is going to steal our hearts. I looked at his other website where there are larger photos. This means curtains for some roses I was undecided about uprooting to make room for a better choice. He is going to give David Austin a run for his money.

Ok, I stopped and talked to Anja yesterday. So far the US roses are grafted to Dr Huey and multiflora is a possibility down the line. Ludwigs is only one of the contracts that Francis farms has as they also contract with David Austin, Weeks, etc.

It is going to be interesting observing how "clean" this new stock shows itself to be.

I sure wish there was a PayPal option for payment. I see a couple of roses on the site that are pretty irresistible.

What ones did you like ?

I'm guessing they will have either PayPal or just basic credit card payment when they get the website done. I just hope they get rid of the double listings and fill it up with all 250 varieties that they supposedly have. I'm waiting to see if they add some of the roses I want that they show on their SA website.

As for myself, I have 6 choices sitting in my cart waiting til it's officially done. AVANTE-GARDE, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ARTISTA, CANDICE, JADINE and MYTH. They are calling the last one"MYTH" but it's actually a florist rose called MYRTHE. I tried rooting cuttings of it last yr. It's a gorgeous dark burgundy with white reverse.

I wish they'd hurry up and get the website done so we can order!!

Happy Birthday jumped out at me too, Beth. But I want everything. Sigh.

I wonder if these guys are going to be able to handle all of our orders once they open it up? I wish they'd hurry. I feel like a little kid waiting for Santa Claus! I keep checking every so many hours to see if they added more roses. They did add some photos. I keep looking over the roses and reading the descriptions and researching on HMF. Some of the roses go by other more familiar names. I was excited to find out that TOWERING ROSE MAGIC is aka SOEUR EMMANUELLE! I had wanted to add that one to my Palatine order a few months ago, but I was too late. Would've had to place a second order. Didn't feel like ordering anything else to make it worth the order tho. So now if I want it, I can get it from Ludwigs! Yay!!

Watch the breeder's code names they're using. I was surprised to see a number of them which didn't match what they were officially reported to be. Not just the "LUD" Ludwig's creations, but those for the larger breeders.

Taking the codes a step further. It's not the type of on line nursery I'm use too. Probably won't matter much to most people especially in warmer zones. The code name used makes searching for a lot of the roses impossible. So unable find additional information. Many of the Kordes roses are not on his german web site. Not much of a way to check on health of rose or zone information. Different type of business.

There are many which aren't used elsewhere, but there are also more than I would hope which are used, but reference different roses from those shown on Ludwig's sites.

Most of the Ludwig hybrids are not listed on HMF. They need to get them on there.

I'm really excited to see so many of the Delbard stripeys, especially since Hortico hasn't carried them for several yrs. I have many of them, but not ARTISTA, which is also known as CLAUDE MONET. But it's not the same CM that Delbard originally sold that was bred by Christensen, which I do have. Of course, I want to compare them in real time. LOL And I hope they add ARTISTA PANAROSA, which is MAURICE UTRILLO. And that gorgeous AVANT-GARDE! I love the photo on their SA website showing two of the three blooms with random striping and mostly solid red. I love when stripeys do that! And they added a photo of SOS CHILDREN'S VILLAGE which is a blend of apricot and gold with pink and yellow striping along the outer edges of the petals. Now that's a confusing one too. On the SA website (and HMF) they call it SOS CHILDREN'S ROSE not VILLAGE. Either way, I want it!

I love many of the Kordes rose they have, but it appears they won't be selling those over here. That's ok tho. Saves me some money. LOL

So in the end it has been established that they graft on to Dr. Huey right? (I hope so).

I bet they are very excited to have so many customers already lined up to order.

I am tempted, but with so little information available on some of the roses, especially on blackspot resistance, I think I will give it a pass. Wish they list breeder information on the website.

Hey y'all. I received an email and they said they hope to be 100% website ready in a week. I too wish there was more info but going to try a few anyway. I'm always a sucker for a pretty rose even if I have 5 that already look real similar. Lol

I am not sure if they can take the cold in my garden, I might have to wait.......

To answer a question further up the thread -- Kim, the Home Depot roses that are now appearing in boxes at the big box stores under the brand name "Vigoro" are being produced in British Columbia by Pan American Nursery Products, Inc. . I've linked to their website if you click on that name. I did the research because they were selling a florrie I hadn't seen before under the name "Florescence" in our HD. Being in general a fan of orange florries, I bought one and then found minimal info on HMF and nothing in the IRAR database or anywhere else. Then looked online more and eventually found them, and emailed them and they confirmed both they were the source and that the rose sold under that name is actually Champion, by Noack, circa 1988. So I had HMF merge the two listings.

Kim, are you thinking of rose mosaic virus regarding how "clean" the current stock may be?

Yes. There are comments about using clean stock on the South African site. I think it's going to be interesting seeing how well that translates to the US.

The Home Depot roses are produced by many growers not just Pan American. The growers are regional for the most part and each grows a somewhat different collection of roses. Many of the Kordes cultivars are being produced own root, but the Pan American Kordes collection are produced on Dr. Huey root stock.

But the collection that is at Home Depot now is Pan American's. The "Vigoro" tag concealed a second tag underneath that was for "Windmill" which is one of Pan American's brand names. The home depot roses that are packed in black square plastic pots with lids attached to the pots and just the stem coming through a small opening in the lid are the ones I'm referring to here. Certainly not every Home Depot rose -- which do indeed come from all over the place.

Yes but that is a collection at the Home Depot you are at not the same as the hundreds as other Home Depot stores - that is my point.

Yippee. Finally, a source for South Africa. Can't get enough of this gorgeous rose. I'm going to plant 5 right at the front of my property.

I just ordered south Africa and nahema and I'm in zone 4... they were super fast. I didn't contact them in time to have them hold my order. Be here wed. We just got an inch of snow so I hope they do alright..

Kelly, you'd have to grow Nahema in a pot since you're in zone 4. It's not winter hardy.

Several people on this forum grow her successfully in zone 5 so I'm hoping with some protection I can get her through the winter. I don't expect her to be a climber here and will probably have significant dieback, but that is to be expected in zone 4. I know hmf lists it to zone 6 but that is by defult.

I just received my Nahema today, I will grow it in a pot. A nursery told me it's not winter hardy for my zone, I don't want to take the chance. Good luck with yours. :-)

Yikkes. Maybe I am being too optimistic. I guess maybe I will have to try two, one in a pot and one in ground... thanks for the heads up. I'm surprised they don't think it would be hardy even in zone 6... is yours grafted or own root?

It's from Ludwigs, looks like own root to me.

Mines on its way!! Whoot, Whoot! I was wondering if they were own root or Dr. Huey..

Just heard from my friend in NC, her friend lost his Nahema down there in zone 7 this year. Mine will be in a pot forever.

Aren't all Ludwig's roses grafted on Dr. Huey?

According to Tyler Francis of Michael Francis Farms, the actual rose growers, Ludwig's roses are grafted to Dr Huey.

LG, your photos are gorgeous. Anyone know zone hardiness on figaro panarosa? I think I need to move a couple zones south of me...

I received my roses today and have a question. There seems to be a split it the stem where the rose is grafted. Is this something to be concerned about?

It shouldn't be a problem. It looks like where a bud was removed from the stock.

Nope -- not a problem. I got mine and mine too have the same split. It is evidence that the grafter was a careful person. He removed the eyes of the Dr. Huey rootstock before doing the grafting, and what you are looking at is the place where he did that. If you have any tree roses, go look at the trunk, and you will probably see the same thing, because with trees, you HAVE to do that, or else the lower buds on the trunk will grow and the grafted variety at the top of the trunk will not. You will thank the grafter later when you do not get a bunch of Dr. Huey suckers. Yay for good work!

Thank you! Good to know. I do not have any tree roses as the graft would never survive our winters!! I would love to though!

Kelly, you can grow Polar Joy rose tree, it's own root, rated for zone 4b.

Glad to hear everyone else is as excited about Ludwig's as I am. I live in Phoenix & it is my new favorite place! I'm in every week buying new roses now... I've gotten 12 from them already; South Africa, Mama Africa, Papi Delbard, Arctic Ice, Garden & Home, Pretty Lady, Red Intuition, Spiced Coffee, Anne Lorentz, Rosita Missoni, Fragrant Cloud & Kardinal Kolorscape. Loving everything so far! There are a ton of others I have my eye on. The staff is so friendly & Ludwig's daughter Anja is incredibly helpful! They've been planting all the roses in a garden around the nursery & it's great to see them growing & blooming so beautifully!

You're soo lucky to be so close and be able to see in person all the uncommon varieties!! Next time take some pictures for us!! There is still snow here. ..

Thank you, I will definitely try to take some pictures next time to post!

I was thrilled to find Ashram and ordered it, Liz McGrath and Teddy Bear last night! Have been looking for Ashram for years since I lost the one I got from Hortico years ago. Lots of new roses to check out! Melissa, would love to see photos of the nursery when you get a chance.......

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but you gardeners are the only ones that will know the answer to my question... How is Free and Loyal's disease resistance? Heirloom has it now and I love it. My main problem is powdery mildew. South african plants usually have a great time in my yard so I suspect it will do well if it is bred to live there.