First time blooming Barb. You can see the variegation pattern on the leaf off to the left. Siam and Tenzan have an overall impression of being more white than green, and the variegation is pretty consistent across the leaf. These leaves are more green overall with random white stripes coming through them. Some leaves will have more and some less, and a certain amount of maintenance is required to cull out sections that are too green.

Congrats on the blooms, I love the streaky leaves. It's very nice when Sans throw out blooms (except when you're trying to grow a fan that is) I noticed the name 'Giant' How tall does it get?

Cool!

Could you take a picture of the whole plant, please? I would love to see all of it.

I hope you get some striped seeds on that stalk Chris, it would be interesting to see if you'd get variegated plants. I noticed some of my sans produced flower stalks late in the fall, but I don't think I've had any during the winter. When you get flowers, will you tap on the stalk to try and produce 'selfed' seeds or just leave it to nature?

Siam Silver and Manolyn seem the same to me, no difference whatsoever. I've forgotten what Tenzan was supposed to be, haven't heard that name in a long time. I could be wrong but recollection is that Tenzan is a variegated trifasciata type and Siam Silver and Manolyn are from metallica/guineensis.

Chris I think you meant to say metallica White Striped Giant rather than trifasciata, I've said the same thing myself countless times. By the way, the WSG you sent me is growing well, thanks again.

The WSG I had for so many years and finally lost had dramatic, wide white stripes along with narrow ones, sure hated to lose that one. I originally thought it was from dear Alice Waidhofer and the clone would be lost forever, but after a few more brain cells kicked in I now think it was from Bob Smoley and so perhaps replaceable.

Russ

Russ- Yes thank you for the correction it should be metallica. I may try to self it when it flowers......since it is inside and the only Sans blooming, that is the only choice. This plant was originally from Mike LaForest (thank you Mike!). I had to cull out some greener portions but it is in good shape now (other than badly needing repotting.....Barb I am almost embarrassed to photograph it but I will, LOL).

I have never seen one like this before. Cool! :)

Oh yeah! Beautiful specimen Chris, and I do see some pure white stripes there. No need to be embarrassed about that one, thanks for the pic. When do you normally expect spring up there, May? I should be out of the woods in 3 or 4 weeks, can't come soon enough.

Shine Eden, as you can see there are several varieties of S. metallica and all of them are choice plants worthy of growing. White Striped Giant is especially hard to find but is common among serious collectors.

Other varieties that I can think of right now are Manolyn and Siam Silver which are in my opinion one and the same, and San Remo which has new leaves of stunning bright yellow with pale green center, but

which fade to green over a number of months. Manolyn is plagued with spots and areas of 'rust' like trifasciata Bantel's Sensation, but Siam Silver is supposed to be free of it. I have Siam Silver from at least two different sources and they get the rust just like Manolyn.

A propagated leaf from any of these varieties will produce the species metallica (old name guineensis), or much less likely an all-white albino if it springs from an area of variegated tissue on the leaf. I happen to love propagating so am always interested in what results come from planted leaves.

I don't have a pic of Manolyn or Siam Silver, but here are some of San Remo. This one is starting to fade, brand-new leaves are very bright yellow. It takes many months to finally lose all the yellow.

Russ

That 'San Remo' is cool looking Russ! The leaves eventually fade to green, yes? Here are side by side leaves of 'White striped Giant' and 'Siam Silver'.

I'm not sure if this is a variegated metallica variety or trifasciata Craigii, I tend to think the latter.

I can find out by planting a leaf and seeing which species it produces, going to do that in the spring but I'll have to sacrifice a leaf which I haven't wanted to do. This is VERY delicate since it has so little chlorophyll, I've let them go without water the entire winter for fear of rotting them.

Russ

Very nice plant. both of you. Mike is very generous. I am going to have fun helping him repot his jungle come spring.

Russ, You mentioned rust. is it like other forms of plant rust that you can treat with copper? Does it continue once treated? How would one prevent it? I'm asking because I have my eye on a huge Bantel's Sensation at my local greenhouse. I do not, however, want it to go spotty on me because I didn't care for it properly.

Yes Chris, leaves of San Remo eventually fade to green but it takes many, many months. I'll have to tag some leaves with a date when they first emerge to see just how long the fading takes, but it's a long time.

Great contrast there between WSG and Siam Silver. If you also have Manolyn, what is your experience with rust between it and Siam Silver? When Siam Silver was first introduced growers were saying it was rust-free but it's just not true, my plants from different sources have as much rust as Manolyn.

Russ

Hi Mentha. I haven't heard of a cure for the rust that occurs on sansevieria. Some have said it can be worse in humid climates, which of course I have here in central Florida. But no one seems to know what actually causes it or what will help in keeping it from forming. Bantel's Sensation is especially prone to it, but most white-variegated sansevierias can get it.

If you don't see any rust on that big Bantel's, maybe it will be okay since it may have been grown in your area of the country. I dunno, it's kind of a mystery.

Is the copper you mention a liquid, a spray?? I could try it if I can find it here.

Russ

Bonide says it treats Bacterial leaf spots, blight, and fungal leaf spots in sans. it does say it treats rust but not specific to species, but it is a trusted fungicide. I also have some Bayer 3 in 1 which I tend to use as a preventative on most plants prone to pests. I've never seen rust on my sans unless they already have spots on them, usually the ones that I rescue from the discount rack at BBS's, but then I've never tried to grow them over the summer here in Tennessee either. California is MUCH dryer. So we'll see how my plants look with all the rain.

I don't want to hijack this thread but I have metallica variegated

Both from Bob Smoley's

Hi akrrm, thanks for those pics. I've had Manolyn's that show no rust at all, but at some point that plant will get it. Plants with rust will throw a leaf that won't have it, so I'm still trying to figure out what causes it. Maybe very high humidity like some have speculated, I don't know. I assume your humidity in New Jersey is usually low.

Interesting to see your metallica variegated, as I said I've been trying to positively identify my plant. I think I received it as metallica Aurea but not sure, mine looks very much like your plant. But description and pic of trifasciata Craigii in Chahinian's book of trifasciatas also matches my plant, so I'm holding off on an ID until I can propagate a leaf and see what it produces... trifasciata or metallica.

Thanks again, Russ

Mentha, I've used Bayer 3 in 1 but not Bonide, I'll have a look at it. Thanks for the tips!!

Russ

Here's a shot of my plant that must be a cousin to these metallicas everyone is showing. Mine is Tenzan. This is a picture from a while back. It doesn't look as good right now.

Thanks Woodnative for that last picture. I can see quite a difference in the different varieties. The Tenzan / Siam Silver/Manolin do look the same to me. I haven't had much trouble with rusty spots.

Russ, Woodnative, Akrrm, Barbmock, all your Sans are beautiful. I had only seen Manolyn & Bantel's Sensation, other than those 2, this is my first time seeing them.

Russ, thank you for your information. I need to read it over and over again to understand as I'm new in Sansevieria. Actually, Sans is the 2nd species I planted. I'm not into plant before. My first plant was Adenium, had couple of those. Then I was told about Sans and what it can do to the air, I was interested in it. I got my 1st Sans - a Laurentii around 2 years ago. Try planted it and eventually, like others here, I add more - Golden Hahnii, Jade Dwarf Marginata, Jaboa and Loop's Pride. Unfortunately I lost/killed most of them (overwater and not too porous mix), what left from the original Sans are only Jaboa and Laurentii. After I search for information about Sans and finally found GardenWeb. I read as much as I can about how to take care and growing Sans. I tried rooting JDM leaf in water from my dead JDM and got myself 2 Jade Dwarf.

Now I started over with new Sans - Golden Hahnii, Hahnii Cream, Jade Dwarf Marginata, Loop's Pride, Brazilian Moonshine, etc.

I still need more to learn from all of you...

The nursery I bought Sans from offered me Bantel's, Manolyn and Silver Laurentii. But I read that Manolyn is a trouble or problem child, and I think I don't have the skill or knowledge yet. So I didn't bought it.

Shine Eden, your post has disappeared, and now it's back again. Go figure!

Growing sans is a fun hobby. Glad to see that you have joined us.

Russ, That San Remo is a beautiful plant. I have never seen it before. I would love to find one of those.

Barbmock, let me know when your weather warms up and I'll send a San Remo, I have quite a few. Mine originally came from pioneer collector Alice Waidhofer in the late 90s, but was labeled incorrectly. Juan Chahinian was finally able to ID it for me. Oddly, San Remo has been called Smoked Sausage in the past, I haven't figured out where that comes from but it's a bogus name.

Excellent pot of Tenzan, that might be the first one I've seen in pics. Many years ago there was a long discussion about Tenzan on a sans forum I belonged to, members also included Hermine and Norma whom I'm sure you know. I'd be interested in trading for a Tenzan if you have a spare next summer.

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Shine Eden, where have you found the Loop's Pride you mention? I lost mine years ago after growing it for a very long time, probably from a watering during winter. Like many sans, Loop's is very susceptible to rot from overwatering but especially during cold weather. The Hahnii group with yellow/gold variegation are also sensitive.

You will find that sans names are very messed up across the US and the world, the species are less affected but hybrids and varieties can have many names attached to a single plant. So`I'm wondering what your Cream Hahnii is, perhaps Silver Hahnii Marginated which has cream-colored leaf margins. Could you post a pic of it?

I looked up Jaboa after you mentioned it, it looks like a few other sans so I'm not sure if it's something new or a renaming of an old sans. I'm always suspicious of new, unfamiliar names without confirmed background or history, especially when the plant looks like other established sans.

Russ

I saw that name, Jaboa, on a plant at the nursery this week. I have a feeling that it is one of those names that nurserymen invent.

Russ, I sent you a pm.

@Barbmock,

Sorry for the trouble... maybe you are reading it while I edited the wrong typo in the post... :) Well... Now it's up again right? :)

@Russ,

I post the pics in here: http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/3684002/please-help-me-id-my-sans?n=7

I'm asking for ID help there...

I don't want to hijack the this thread started by Woodnative, but if Woodnative have no problem, I'll post it here.

I agree, Sans naming are very very confusing. Especially for newbie like me... sigh...

Akrrm told me in my ID asking thread that it might be S. Jaboa/Joboa, I search for it and I found out it look the same. So I think it is Jaboa. But guess what, today I just found out S. Aubrytiana look exactly the same too. So is S. Jaboa = S. Aubrytiana?

The same thing like Hahnii 'Cream'. I got it from Carrefour with the tag name "Cactus & Succulent". I search for info about Sans that look like it. And I found S. Hahnii Cream look exactly like that. I post the pic about the pup it gave me in here: http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/3698442/look-someone-decided-to-pop-up-today?n=2

And again Akrrm told me its S. Silver Hahnii Marginated. I search for it and it does look alike! And now I'm confuse is S. Hahnii Cream = S. Silver Hahnii Marginated?

Please help me... it really really confusing for me... Maybe, just maybe, all my sans have the wrong name? Maybe only my S. Trifasciata Laurentii is the only one I got it right... And also S. Jade Dwarf since I propagated it myself from S. Jade Dwarf Marginata's leaf. LOL... :D

Shine Eden, I sound like a real trouble maker, LOL. :)

I just wanted to say that I have Manolyn with no rust spots and I love it. I also have Bental's Sensation with rust spots, I don't like it. I think if you decided to get Silver Laurentii you would be very happy with it. I have one and it's very beautiful.

No, not at all Akrrm! I'm sorry if it sounds like that, what I mean is that you are very helpful in trying yo help me ID my plants. And because of that, I learn something in the process.

I really love the process of finding out the true name of the Sans I had. The confussion helps me to learn and find out more specially from more knowledge members here. :)

I was only joking, that's why I put LOL and a smiley face in the sentence.:)

I also love finding out everything I can about sans. A lot of the information can be confusing, especially when a plant has more than one name.

Any updates on the progress? Some Sans are slow when they bloom, others you can see a difference every day.

Not too much change yet. No flowers open.

Woodnative is that flower going to be yellow?

Everyone's plants are beautiful. I love the variety and variegation.

k

please update us when the flowers open Woodnative.

akrrm, those flowers should be white once they open, and very, heavily fragrant.

Shine Eden, regarding the sans you have supposedly named Cream, disregard that name completely since someone has made it up. This sans is Silver Hahnii Marginated.

On the Moonshine, I've never seen one exactly like yours but it's obviously a variegated Moonshine. I've seen the names 'Brazilian' attached to various cultivars but consider them bogus until I can verify. Many sans are coming out of Thailand and Indonesia (and the US as well) with made-up names. Even if you see the same names on different websites, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a correct name.

How tall is the Hahnii you think is Loop's Pride? It does look like Loop's at first glance. Are leaves very thick and would snap rather than bend?

On the sans in the yellow hydrogel, I could be a young downsii, but could also be a couple of other sans. Too small to tell for sure so please post pics as it get bigger.

Getting late, more later.

Russ

THANK YOU SO MUCH Russ!!! Very happy to know the correct ID for my Sans!!!! Yippey!!!

Exactly Russ, names are indeed very mess up here. For example, Golden Hahnii if literally translated from local language means Frog or frogish. The Jade Dwarf Marginata is S. Pagoda here... Luckily I saw post and pics here, so I know their real name. :)

I'll post the Downsii pic when it grow, but right now, it is kinda frustrating, I got it almost a month now, came with no root, I tried to rooted it, but until now, no sign of root yet. The plant didn't dry out, rot, or anything. I put it under florescent light. I hope it will grow some roots soon. Any tips on how to make it grow roots faster?

OOOOHHH Pretty! Be sure to do a little shake to loosen the pollen.

That's quite a show you've got going on there Chris!! I've always thought newly opened sans flowers look like fireworks. I'll bet the fragrance is great.

I just took these pics today. 1st two are parva variegata, the bottom pic is a cylindrica. It was sent as cylindrica v. patula but it is v. cylindrica. As soon as I pulled the plastic covering back to get into the shadehouse I could smell the flowers, so I got my camera and looked for the source. Cylindrica's should be open in a few days.

Shine Eden, I've seen the name Pagoda on some sans pics.

On forcing roots, I don't have any ideas other than perhaps trying some rooting powder on the base of the plant. Short of that, just be patient and it will root in time. Just had a thought though, I think you have this sans in some hydroponic-type system, so rooting powder may not work. So my advice as to patience applies....

Russ

Cool flower Woodnative!

Why have to do little shake, Mentha? Is that how the pollinating works?

Thanks Russ... Think I need more patience... Btw, do I need to keep it under light or in dark corner to help the rooting process?

Light!!! No direct sunlight but bright light for sure.

Russ

Thanks Russ. :)

Russ! Very nice! If you were living next door I would borrow some pollen from you LOL! Yes, they do smell nice!!

Shine, Yes, the upper flowers will pollinate the lower ones. shaking or even flicking the flower stalk will release pollen to the lower flowers. You can also take a few flowers apart and use the pollen on the other flowers or even a small paint brush will work.

Thanks a lot Mentha. Will put that in mind.

All you guys' white sans and stripey sans are awesome!!! I can't seem to find anything similar at local garden shops

Hey Russ! I don't get many flowers but now the cylindrica x Kirkii pulchra ( I think?) from you will be sending up a spike. This is a tall and skinny plant!

Hi Chris, that sans is cylindrica v cylindrica X kirkii v. kirkii. Pretty sure it came from dear Alice Waidhofer in late 90s. Mine has bloomed before but no seeds. If you have time, post some pics when flowers open if they haven't already done so.

Russ

Russ the stalk has not changed much yet although it is a little longer. Are Sans self fertile?? Anyway I tried to pollinate the Wagner's but not success (selfing), the flowers on it are done now.

Chris, sans can self-fertilize, I think most of the seeds I've had were produced that way. To help this along I've read you can jostle the stalk in many ways, one account even said they put their electric toothbrush against the flower stalk. I have another couple of sans in bloom now, one is another parva.

Good weather here, 80s days and 60s nights. The threat of cold is over, maybe some cooler days in next couple of weeks.

Russ