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Planting

10 years ago

I live in MN and have a wooded area in my backyard and I want to plant it.
I have planted the main body of my yard and have left the woods untouched....my dogs have created many paths through the woods and, for the most part, do their business back there. I also spread my grass clippings in there. The woods consist of mainly Boxelder trees, a magnificent red oak, a silver maple and some others I can't identify. There are many short "weed trees" as my mom calls them...not sure what they are but I chop them out at the edge of the woods cause they grow fast and tangle up the other trees. I've planted hostas along the edges and in the woods in a few places, as I ran out of room to transplant them to in the yard (we'll see if they come back). The area back there is on a slope, high up on the right, lower by about 10 feet on the left. The top of the hill can be quite dry...I have a sprinkler head up there for the terraced hillside part of the yard proper, but it doesn't hit much of the wooded portion of the yard.


Looking for ideas on what to plant....I thought about trying some daylily bulbs (will they grow in the shade??). I would like to add some flowers...maybe some ferns? I really have no idea. I've kind of had my fill of hostas....I will move more into the woods as I run out of space in the yard, but I'm looking for something different. Definitely looking for perennials. I would love to have some sort of evergreen tree/bush...but not sure there is much space for digging. I DID plant a juniper (shade tolerant version) last year at the edge of the woods...we'll see how that does, so far....well....it doesn't look dead yet. I do NOT have the best green thumb. So something hardy is preferred. Any suggestions?


Comments (3)

  • 10 years ago

    ts, if at all possible try to identify those "short weed trees". It is not only possible but quite likely that at least some of those are simply young versions of highly desirable species. Trees don't emerge from the ground fully grown!

    Then I ask, are there any spring wildflowers? It would be a real shame to not be aware of those native "spring ephemerals" as they are magnificent and are getting bulldozed out of existence everywhwere you look.

    Finally, you may in fact improve the overall scene by removing some of the box elders-there's a weed tree for you-and leave room for better plants. And why are you collecting grass clippings off your lawn in the first place? Lawns require lots of nitrogen and your removal of those clippings is the equivalent of one heavy dose of nitrogen fertilizer. Very very much better to not remove lawn clippings-ever. And the woods plants don't necessarily want all that nitrogen...they'r used to a very much different soil regime, where beneficial fungi and bacteria take all the stuff laying on the ground and slowly convert it into nutrients the trees and other plants can use. Fertilizer in a forest-which is what those clippings (and I suppose the doggy do) amount to, is not generally helpful.

    Can you get a few of these issues sorted out first? There's right around a ton and a half of plant ideas we could throw in, but in my opinion, these issues need to be dealt with first.

  • 10 years ago

    I should have clarified...after reading more of the forum, I see many of you have acres of woodlands. :-) I have control of about a 15' x 40' strip of woods (the rest is neighbors and public property). The red oak is massive (trunk is probably 13' in circumference), the boxelders are smaller (trunks are around 8' in circumference). There are about...5 of these large trees total filling the space. And a bunch of smaller boxelder trees (trunks less than 5' in diameter). The weed trees are likely more baby boxelders...I haven't been able to identify any of the trees myself (except the red oak...I'd have to be an idiot to miss identify that one). I had a tree guy out last year to remove one tree that had fallen (actually, it had fallen ON my one silver maple...had to get that down quick before it damaged it). He was the one who told me these were all boxelders (which explains my boxelder bug problem).


    I don't generally collect my lawn clippings...but sometimes I get busy and it grows super long and it's too long to mulch mow...then I have to bag it. I try to make sure to spread the clippings and not just dump them in a big pile.


    There are no flowers that grow in my woods, just the trees...I keep trying to find a picture of my yard! The best I can do is an aerial shot from bing maps! This is from a few years ago...but the look of the wooded area is the same. My house is the one with the red truck in the driveway.

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks for the clarifications. So, one good way to ID box elder is that the tips of the branches have a waxy bloom on them. Rub it and you can see it kind of rub off, and there is a purplish hue to these stem tips as well. This is for before they leaf out.

    I support your idea to control these things. They are native, sure, but they are really junky trees and are mostly just taking up space that could hold a better plant.

    Ferns are of course great plants for such a site. I'm not going to name names here this morning, but any web page showing ferns native to your area will give lots of good ideas. And there are lots of them.

    Another source would be any web pages detailing "shade gardens" or some such combo of words. Too many for me to list here this morning. And since you're in
    MN, maybe have a look at a company devoted to native plants. You've got a very good one in Prairie Moon Nursery, right there in your state. Good people, tons of plant ideas, decent prices...if you look up their catalog I think you will be inspired, far beyond anything I can tell you here.

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