akrrm, my two cents... I would wait awhile for stable, warm outside temps to separate the Golden Hahnii. You'll also have better light from the windows, lower winter light might be the reason for the longer leaf.

Even though plants are inside in good temps during the winter, I think they 'feel' the difference between winter and summer light and react accordingly.

The mushy leaves of the Golden Hahnii are probably the result of a little too much moisture at the roots than it likes during winter. The Seibert's can take more.

Personally I wouldn't combine Golden Hahnii's with Seibert's or any greener sans because of the difference in watering requirements. So I'd suggest separating both of the GH's from the Seiberts as soon as spring arrives in your area. Meanwhile I'd back off a little with watering, the Seibert's won't mind and the GH's need it.

These Hahnii's all look really good though, well grown!!!

Russ

An afterthought note. This is the first winter that I didn't water my many Golden Hahnii's at all, no water, period. While I did have a few lost lower leaves, they did much better than past winters when I gave them a minimal watering once in awhile. No water would be essential for Solid Gold, and it did help get my GH's through in better shape.

Russ

Russ, thank you so much for responding. I really appreciate the information.

When I got them, in the middle of December, from eBay, the plants were in one pot. They are all connected, coming from the center Seibert. They were really soaked when I got them and had a lot of those translucent spots, I lost some leaves. Then i got a heated seedling mat and put it in a cooler, I thought it was doing well, then the Solid Gold perished.

I will definitely wait until it gets warmer to separate them.

Nancy

Very interesting Nancy!! So one of the Seibert's has offset a Seibert, two Golden Hahnii's and a Solid Gold. Some years ago I had a Seibert that did exactly the same thing only I got several Solid Golds. I lost all the latter within a year or so from overwatering, they are very tough to grow

I notice that your two Golden Hahnii's don't have green edges on the majority of leaves, which means they are intermediate in difficulty between Solid Gold and a Golden Hahnii with dark green edges.They do have nice wide green centers though, which will help a lot with sensitivity.

If you look at some of the pictures of GH's posted on this forum, especially those that Stush has posted, you'll see differences in the amount of green individual GH's can have. The more green they have, the easier they are.

Let us know how it goes when you get around to separating them.

Russ

Yes, that is correct. The GH with the spot cut out of the leaf had the solid gold offset. There was also a spot next to it, off of the same plant, where you could see another offset had rotted off. I wish I knew what that one looked like.

If you CLICK HERE you can read my original post about these plants and see the pictures. That is cool that you had the same thing happen with yours.

I think if these croak I'm not going to grow them anymore (or maybe look for them with more green like you mentioned). I already lost two other GH plants that rotted. When I got those plants the roots looked dried out and very sparse and when I checked them after the leaves rotted off they looked exactly the same.

I don't understand how GH can be grown in greenhouses where there is humidity and they are probably kept damp and do okay but as soon as they get into a house they don't like it, very baffling.

Thank you for your help :)

Nancy

Nancy, I can send you a Golden Hahnii with more green in the leaves, it should be easier to grow than the ones you have. I've found quite a few at my local Home Depot for cheap.

In his book on Trifasciata varieties, Juan Chahinian describes Golden Hahnii as '... of tropical habit'. So warm and humid is what they want, but they have to be kept drier than an all-green Hahnii. Chahinian says they should be watered only every third time that you'd water a Hahnii.

I've grown them outside in shade in the past, but even in very porous mix they still lose lower leaves and can rot in the warm, humid but rainy summer season in central Fla. So I guess I'll have to move them all into my covered shadehouse where I can control the water they get.

Russ

Thanks for the offer Russ. Hopefully I can keep mine alive.

OK Nancy, I'll keep the offer open for you.

Russ

Russ,

I know Sans Man is looking for a greener Golden Hahnii. I didn't have enough to go around. Broke some very tiny ones off trying to separate them and questionable if they will survive. I got mine from Ebay and the seller said it wan't Golden Hahnii or Streaker. So I just call mine 'hardier Golden Hahnii'.

Russ, I separated these hahnii today. When I broke them apart the Golden hahnii that produced the hahnii Solid Gold was connected to the outer hahnii Seibert. The second Golden hahnii came from the first Golden hahnii and the center hahnii Seibert came from the outer hahnii Seibert. I left the two Seibert connected in a pot and separated the Golden Hahnii in two pots.

Nancy, would you show a picture of your solid gold? Also, would you take a close up of your siebert? I can't tell from here what makes it seibert. Thank you.

Very interesting about what produced what, Nancy. So it sounds like the outer Seibert started the whole cluster. It is amazing that Seibert's can produce Golden Hahnii's and Solid Gold's, genetics are crazy.

Sounds like a good plan to keep like with like, that way the watering plan isn't an issue. Clear something up for me, what happened to the Solid Gold? I have forgotten if you lost it or what.

Russ

Vitorama, the solid gold is long gone, there is a picture in my other thread about them. It was all yellow with a thin green edge.

The Seibert has a pale yellow stripe in the center of the leaf, you can see it in the second picture down.

It's dark now, I'll see if I can get a better one tomorrow.

Russ the solid gold is long gone. When I received the plants they had some mushy spots. The solid gold lost it leaves and just dried up.

I have another thread about them I just updated with the same picture for people that commented in that one. It shows the mushy leaves.

I thought so Nancy, but hoped I was wrong. Sold Gold is incredibly difficult to grow, timing on watering and not watering is critical. Those particular Golden Hahnii's you have are not real easy either, only a thin green edge.

Russ

I do see the stripe, Nancy, thanks. I'm sorry you lost your solid gold.

vitorama, I took these this afternoon, the yellow is faint. These are the hahnii Seibert I separated from the Golden hahnii.

These were originally a grouping of three, it started some new growth off of one so I sent those two to my Mom.

Wow, wow, wow! So pretty! I totally see it now. What beautiful plants, beautifully grown.

I eye-spy your colorful pots which I just got at Lowe's thanks to you. I just drilled holes in all of them. Can't wait to plant them up!

I lost my Hahnii Seibert this past winter. Maybe next year I'll ask Russ or Woodnative for one. If you guys are good with growing them.

Stush

Stush you can have one of mine, let me know when you want it.

Mine from Chris lost all it's roots and thought I might lose it, but it's back on track now. Seibert is one of my favorites of the Hahnii's, so unpredictable in it's production of offsets.

Stush, looks like you have one coming from Nancy but when I get an offset I'll keep your name on it just in case you have another bad winter.

Russ

Thanks Nancy, you still have my address?

Russ, That death was my fault. It was with my other plants that could take more cold and when I discovered it. I tried to save it but couldn't. On a cold window seal in part of an under heated house. I will most differently keep it with my other sans.

Stush, you're welcome. I do have your address and should be able to mail it next week. I will let you know when I mail it.

I've made similar mistakes myself, Stush. Thinking a sensitive plant is in a safe area when it's somewhere else. But that's why it's a good idea to share plants and offsets, I've gotten back several plants from traders when I've lost my one-and-only. Chris comes to mind! And I've sent plants back to other folks when they've lost theirs.

Russ

I agree Russ. Happened before.

Thank you Nancy. I'll repay the postage.

Stush

Stush, this is one of the plants I sent you. I think after it was in the su more it was easier to see the stripe. You can also hold it up to the light to see it.

Thank you Nancy, I remember this post.

On one in the central section of the pot the stripe is more apparent and most of the others are more like regular hahnii. It is too big for the pot any way and I plan on tearing it apart and gifting out the regular hahnii and keeping the most variegated one alone.

So far my solid solid gold hahnii is still alive. It is about a year and half old and solid yellow with no green at all. Usually they live only a few months and this one is still kicking. Unless it develops some green, there is no way I can separate it from the mother.

Nancy, Here's mine now after I divided them up. Ones you sent me.

Wow Stush, they look great! I'm glad it's doing well for you :-)