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Brigs 21HP Vanguard Problems

10 years ago

I am trying to determine if my problem
is with the governor, carburetor or both. The governor control
bracket was removed to ensure there was no binding and reinstalled
without the governor spring,it is my understanding that the engine
should run at a level slightly above idle. It was started and
immediately went to about 3700 rpm with the throttle lever 1/8 inch
from idle speed screw.

This mower was worked on by someone
else before my DW bought it so any thing could have been done.

Please help if you can, I am losing
this battle. For more information please see my previous post here http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/3852099/briggs-385777-0349-e1-governor-and-carburetor-help-please?n=1

Comments (10)

  • 10 years ago

    How long can i run this engine without the shroud before overheating to check for intake leaks.

  • 10 years ago

    Thank you, no leaks found do you have an idea of what i should check next.

  • 10 years ago

    with so many unknowns, you may decide to invest in shop manual for that vanguard...

  • 10 years ago

    I think shop manuals are available for free online. If you can hold the throttle shaft back and it idles down- then the issue is with the governor or set up linkage. If by physically manipulating the throttle you change nothing, then you have a throttle plate issue.

    dale4sanford thanked tomplum
  • 10 years ago

    Thank you
    for your input it is appreciated. I have been using B&S manual
    272144 to isolate 1 problem at a time on a Briggs 385777-0349-E1.

    I am able to lock the throttle shaft in
    place and maintain engine speed 2800 rpm and above it runs well the
    lowest it will run is between 2000 to 2200 cycling and sounding
    terrible(exhaust noise).

    The throttle plate and throttle shaft
    are connected and operating properly. I don't understand how it can
    run so fast with the throttle plate slightly open. The carburetor is
    a #844371 if that is any help.

  • 10 years ago

    Well, you should be able to keep it running at a lower RPM- which does indicate a carburetor issue. But there is obviously a governor issue as well. So much for stating the obvious! So, have you done the static governor adjustment? Or any cleaning of the carb itself? It does seem like the linkage may be in a wrong hole. Post a pic if you want. Maybe you could clarify what you mean about the terrible exhaust noise. Popping through the exhaust maybe?

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Troubleshooting multiple problems that
    all interact is as bad as finding an intermittent one. Static
    governor adjustment done by me, carb done before DW got it, probably
    just opened and sprayed. Governor linkage seemed to be correct
    according to every diagram I could find, all of the tangs looked to
    have been adjusted.

    Tractor is in excellent shape, engine
    has 120# compression each side and the wife wants it so I believe its
    worth fixing.

    The carburetor will be
    disassembled and cleaned. The only other thing that worries me was
    the engine being run with #1 cylinder rocker arm pivots installed
    wrong bending push rods and holding the valves open.

  • 10 years ago

    "The only other thing that worries me was the engine being run with #1 cylinder rocker arm pivots installed wrong bending push rods and holding the valves open. " That does seem rather bothersome, having a hard time visualizing this though. Look closely at the valve guides and see if they protrude from the head similarly. it might think it is an Intek...

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    In regards to the pivots they were not
    seated into the detentes of the rocker arms but crosswise to them
    forcing the rockers in an extra ½ inch.

    I pulled the engine so it could be
    inspected fully, I will know more tonight. I appreciate your help with this,
    thank you very much.

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