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cutting the rot out?

Last week I bought myself an adenium. (replacement to one that died. :-( The leaves had a few spots on, but overall seemed healthy. Sorry about the large photo's - don't know how to shrink them.

Then this happened - leaf fell off. Drastic measures required urgently (from my last sad experience)

I've unpotted and washed - there is some rot at the bottom.

Where and how do I cut it off? Do I take the roots as well? When I repot - what size pot should I get? The plant is about 30cm high (about 12 inches - I think)




Comments (24)

  • 10 years ago

    My posts keep erasing odd

    you can cut where you knife is but it looks like there is some wrinkles about the knife. Use alcohol on the blade for each cut. You need to cut till there is creamy white flesh with no brown streaks. This ok because they cut off all the root to make decorated roots. After cutting apply cinnamon or sulphur powder to help heal. Hang the plant for at least 5 days. Then plant in quick drain soil. Leave in partial shade for several days then introduce it to full sun. I water after planting.

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Marica. Have cut and dusted with cinnamon.

    This looks good? Here's hoping he survives.

  • 10 years ago

    Yeah it looks good. As it hangs you can see how much you want to move above the soil or plant as deep as it was before. For me I would leave it the depth it was. Remember 6.35cm from caudex to pot edge all around the pot.

  • 10 years ago

    Now that the cut has been made, let the plant dry, in the shade for one week. Then plant it, and don't water for several more days, keeping it shaded.

  • 10 years ago

    Cinnamon is good, but generally for above the soil line. Underneath the soil it should sulfur powder or an anti fungicide of sorts, then dry for 1-2 wks.

    Rick

  • 10 years ago

    It's been nearly a week. This is how the cut is looking.

    Was about to start repotting. And then I found this.

    I think I've cut it out - but it's a steep angle. Should I trim it more horizontal? I'll leave it to hang another week. Feeling quite disheartened. :-(

    I also got two more plants from the same nursery on clearance with the same symptoms. :-) I've bare-rooted them to check under the surface.


    Number 1 little one (RHS in picture) looks healthy enough. Everything firm and white.

    Number 2 - slightly larger is my concern. (LHS in picture) The base is slightly soft and has the brown "stripe" in the middle. I took a little "paper cut" slice into the brown section and it was white and clean. Should I'll leave it to hang for a week and then try potting?

    Thanks for all your help everyone. I appreciate it. I've ordered seeds and joined the Community grow out. Hopefully I'll get it right eventually. ;-)


  • 10 years ago

    Hi Dianne, Macozeb is the name of the anti-fungal powder that you can buy here in Australia.

  • 10 years ago

    For such young trees that nursery has problems caring for their items. I hope that they don't become week as they are growing up and cause problems. I have heard of this happening. You are doing fine in your care. I would get the fungicide that Christine says. It may stop the fungus if some is slightly left.

    Leaving the slant my produce roots on both side of the cut. If that look is ok with you leave it. They are hardy with the right care. Yes hang the ones you cut below the soil. Coat with fungicides like Macozeb, Sulpher powder or cinnamon

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Christine - thanks went and got some Mancozeb today. Have dusted roots again.

    HI Marica - it's the local hardware / garden store. Poor staff have no idea. :-( BUT I found a "proper" nursery nearby. They didn't have any adeniums but seem much more knowledgable. :-)

  • 10 years ago

    Dianne, Unfortunately living down south you won't see many Desert Roses for sale. But you can contact Sandy from Sandys Adeniums in Cairns, Qld (just google search her) and you can buy some gorgeous colours and she will post. Or also Darwin Adeniums. Just check with them first in regards to posting to Victoria. One of them definitely sends with a certificate so you can get the plants but can't remember who.

  • 10 years ago

    Thanks Christine.

  • 10 years ago

    Hi Christine,

    Thanks for the info. Chatted to Sandy, have bought some seeds from her. Expecting them early this weeks. bye Dianne

    Took my tree out of ICU - this is how it looks now. Here's hoping all the rot is gone. The tree is looking quite poorly. Trimmed the leaves and repotted in 2/3 cactus 1/3 perlite. On the fishtank, next to the east facing window, under the heater. Now I wait.


  • 10 years ago

    Good luck! I just planted my bare ones, with high hopes

    Dianne (Melbourne, Australia) (11) thanked Marica 7 high Sierra's Ca 4,000ft
  • 10 years ago

    Good luck to you! In the future if you find rot like that inside, I've read you can scoop it out and leave the living flesh around it to dry and still be fine. The 'hollowed' out look is rather awesome on the photos I have seen and eventually in time it can close up on it's own.

    Dianne (Melbourne, Australia) (11) thanked Hyn Patty, Western NC Mountains (USA)
  • 10 years ago
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    Oh wow, you've watered it, no roots = no water! Sorry, but that's going to do it no good whatsoever :-( You really need to get it out of that wet compost and let it dry out all over again else it will rot fast than you can blink. From the pic of the poorly plant before you potted it, things don't look to hopeful I'm afraid, but you need to rescue it again, and fast. Also IMHO, 2/3 mg and 1/3 perlite is too heavy a ratio mg wise, especially if you water heavily....as you appear to have already done.

    Gill

    Dianne (Melbourne, Australia) (11) thanked greenclaws UK, Zone 8a
  • 10 years ago

    ok Gill how long does she need to rehang it and then when planted she should water when? Partial shade is ok right?

    Dianne is your weather on the humid side. Your temps are still low too?

  • 10 years ago

    OOPS!!! Oh no - this poor poor plant. :-( At least I'm learning as I go. Uprooted and drying again. I'll mix in half perlite next planting, and be a lot more sparing in my watering. LOL, so many mistakes.

    Won't be buying there again, they're just the local hardware / garden place. Poor staff have no idea. (and neither did I.) Have found a "proper" nursery a bit further away. And thanks to Christine - have contacted an Aussie grower for more seeds. :-)

    In Melbourne we are still in full winter. Have attached current weather forecast for the week - just for fun. 100% humidity, cold rain, cold weather, little sun. All my plants are indoors at the brightest window near a heating vent. On top of my fishtank, because I haven't purchased any heating mats yet. (Slowly, slowly) Our house is usually between 18 - 20 degrees during the day and 14 overnight. No hot water heater inside the house. Checked the top of the fridge too, not warm, too high to watch and reach. Investigating into daylight / heat lights - one step at a time.

    I'll keep trying, but think this poor one is doomed. Needs too much TLC and I'm away for 6 weeks in 19 days. Whoop whoop!!! Thanks for all your help everyone. Much appreciated. The "sabi star" flower has ALWAYS been my favourite. Now that I know I can, I'll keep trying, until I have one blooming in my garden.

    PS - what does IMHO mean?

  • 10 years ago

    IMHO?...'in my honest opinion'.....sorry, I get used to shortening phrases we often use here on the forums, but I shouldn't assume everyone else does though....I had to ask for several interpretations at first, lol, there I go again!

    IIRC is another....'if I recall correctly' and also FWIW....'for what it's worth'

    I speak to my rellies south of Perth each week, their weather is unusually cold for them also, down to 4c at night, they're frozen!

    Gill

    Dianne (Melbourne, Australia) (11) thanked greenclaws UK, Zone 8a
  • 10 years ago

    I detest winter. Miserable time of year. I can do the cold, rain and snow for one day, maybe two, then I'm ready for summer again. :-) still the seasons are turning.

  • 10 years ago

    Dianne I know by what Rick has said that there are lots of growers in Australia. You need to make connections and new friends. We all like to share.

    I love all seasons unless they last to long. Your spring is coming

    Your prices and selection would be better also.

    Gill I always thought it wa IMHO In my humble opinion, There we go across the water again :-)

  • 9 years ago

    A quick update on my 3 plants. 26/10/2016

    1 died - as expected,

    the other two are hanging in there, and have got leaves.

    number 1 is still looking good.

    number 2 - who had some surgery is growing leaves but they are all twisted and wierd. His trunk is wrinkled but not too soft - dehydrated maybe?

    They have been spray misted slightly alternate days while I was away on holiday. I've increased water but still only using the sprayer. Will start with fertilising regime this weekend. I know there are lots of different choices out there, but is a liquid seaweed fertilizer (seasol) okay to start with? Weakly = half strength? = weekly

    bye Dianne

  • 9 years ago

    I think you should give #2 a good drench and leave it for a week or so until the caudex firms up. Then start fertilization next watering cycle. It sounds dehydrated right now, you want it to take up water first before feeding it.

    On a side note, I'd be a bit nervous about the substrate you have it in. I do use soil in my mature plants that tend to be really voracious but not for a plant under rehab. If you're up to it, I also suggest removing it to a significantly smaller pot.

    Pagan

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Pagan,

    thanks - have drenched it today. First time it's been "watered" otherwise they just get lightly misted - similar to what I experienced in the game reserve. The water ran straight through. phew! :-)

    The pot is about 9cm (3.5"?) high and has about 6cm around the caudex as previously suggested. Can look for a smaller clay pot on the weekend - from memory - I think I can get narrower and taller, but not shallower. This was the smallest shallow clay pot there was. Which would be better? Or I could get plastic any size?

    When I repotted the second time I used half cacti soil with half perlite? What else should I be doing?

    When do I repot seedlings? If I change the soil mix, would I use my revised mix for them? My seedlings are 2 months but tiny.

    Thanks again for your help. How are your plants going?

    bye

    Dianne

    PS added pics - I can't see the others.

    number 1

    number 2 - crazy weird leaves and wrinkly trunk


    seedlings planted 22/Aug/2016