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Seeking advice on Four O'Clocks not fully blooming

10 years ago
last modified: 10 years ago

I have a Four O'Clock plant which I grew from seed outdoors, and it's the first time I've grown it. It has plenty of flower buds but only once have the flowers fully opened and that was within a few days after its first buds. Over the last few weeks it's gone from what seems like the unopened bud to a spent bloom without really opening. I know it blooms in late afternoons and evenings but I just haven't seen it in flower at that time. Possible hint: I can't imagine it's that happy being 8" away (crown to crown) from a cosmos plant. Could that be the reason? Thanks for any thoughts. Here are photos, the first not showing the cosmos nearby and the second showing the cosmos and other neighbors. I'm a few miles west of Boston.


Comments (11)

  • 10 years ago

    you are aware ... consistent with the name.. they open at 4 oclock ... and maybe only for that one day ....


    give them another week ... should be quite a show ... VERY fragrant en masse ... in the evenings ...


    soil looks very dry .... perhaps more water ... dont think the cosmo has anything to do with it.. unless not enough water ...


    some random leaf damage on other things.. how close are you to drought conditions????


    ken

  • 10 years ago

    Ok, folks -- I wasn't aware that simply posting a question on GardenWeb can solve a problem by itself. But that's apparently what has happened here. I swear I've been outside viewing that plant in late afternoon and early evening and have not seen flowers on it. I'm sure of it! Well, uh, um, at least I thought so...

    In any case, that first photo with no flowers was taken at 6:20 pm. I then posted my note here, and Ken kindly answered. At 7:35 pm I was back outside, and saw to my amazement....

    The power of GardenWeb!

  • 10 years ago

    Rick, they don't open at four but in the late afternoon through the evening hours.

  • 10 years ago
    last modified: 10 years ago

    Have people found that their Four O'Clocks bloom around the same time each day? I'm doing some time-lapse photography right now to see if I can catch it. Yesterday they bloomed somewhere between 6:20 and 7:35. Right now it's 7:20 and I'm not seeing anything yet. I'm curious to see if the time of blooming is fairly steady over a period of a week, or random, or if the bloom time gets earlier, or later, as the season goes on, or if it's dependent on some not-fully-studied environmental factors, or...

    [Half hour later: Oh, well, a watched pot never boils. Since it knows I'm recording it, it's refusing to open, or it'll open much later than the time it did yesterday when I wasn't paying attention. Now that it's getting dark and it knows I can't record it, it'll now decide to open...]

  • 10 years ago

    They are stimulated to bloom as the sun begins to fade. This effect will be diminished in partial shade, on cloudy days, etc.

    Rick (zone 6b, MA) thanked rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7
  • 10 years ago

    dont forget ... in your experiments.... that plants dont put up with daylight savings time.. and all that nonsense ...


    and that is basically what rhiz said ... its the declination of the afternoon sun that triggers it ...


    also.. i believe this plant is also known as the marvel of peru ... where its native.. so you could probably add elevation as a variable ... if you were going to go all science on an experiment ...


    ken

    Rick (zone 6b, MA) thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 10 years ago

    In the future, if an option, try putting 4'o's on the east side of the house (or other larger plant) so they fall into shadow sooner, as long as it's a spot with 6+ hours of direct sun earlier in the day. That would get the blooms opening as soon as possible in the evening.

    Conversely, planting morning glories on the west side can help to have blooms that stay open for an hour or 2 longer in the morning.

    Rick (zone 6b, MA) thanked Tiffany, purpleinopp Z8b Opp, AL
  • 10 years ago

    Thank you for all the suggestions, all. My 4'o's didn't bloom last night at all except for one flower opening up part-way. Maybe some days there are no blooms?

    I'm curious to know: do your plants bloom *approximately* the same time each day, factoring in the fact that solar declination is taking place a bit earlier every day as August progresses? In other words, do you sometimes get flowering at 4:30 and then the next day 7:30, or....?

  • 10 years ago

    Heat, humidity, clouds or lack of, probably all at play. You can't set your watch by these blooms at all. If the spot they are in currently is in the direct sun until sundown, the blooms will open later than a plant onto which a shadow has fallen well before sunset.

    Rick (zone 6b, MA) thanked Tiffany, purpleinopp Z8b Opp, AL
  • 10 years ago

    Ah, if only I knew at the beginning of the season what I know now.... :-)))