Thanks, I hope I have better luck with the greener golden hahnii, even though I got it by mistake.

Went out to spray a few plants and checked my hahnii Seibert. It looks terrible but there is another golden hahnii coming from it. What the heck! The center seems fine but those outer leaves are drying up.

Oh, sorry about that Nancy. I seem to have that problem with hahniis too. I wonder if it starts with too much rain getting into the center of the plant. I have been spraying with a fungicide when I see it.

Barbmock I keep my plants on my porch so they don't get rained on. It has had those slime spots coming up since I got it in December. I sprayed it with Bayer 3-in-1 a few weeks ago (and watered with it) and those spots are dried out now.The center is fine. I guess it can't be too unhealthy if it's producing two plants.

I'm so sorry about your hahnii. Just wanted to say you have such a gorgeous collection! Hopefully the pups are a good sign and might be able to be saved.

It's so heartbreaking Akrrm, isn't it? Hopefully the pups will be hearty survivors and maybe make a new seibert?

A bit of a silver lining. Pups do ease the pain a little. Where there's a pup, there's life!

I use Bonide 'Captan'. Purchased on line. Not too expensive and a little goes a long way. It is a fungus and disease preventer.

I found new growth finally on canaliculata dwarf.

Surprised to see these golden hahnii still going strong from this hot mess of a Seibert.

Nancy, You might end up with a 'Solid Gold' on one of those pups.

Stush, that would be nice but I'm just hoping the two golden hahnii make it and the Seibert.

You might get a solid gold from your Seibert. It came from that one that looks terrible.

Do you know if Hahnii Seibert propagates true from a leaf cutting?

Nancy, That Seibert you sent me is a very nice large specimen. Do you what it back? Or I can send you the first pups to replenish your collection. Or I will keep a pup and send the mother back.

Stush

No, I don't want it back, I wanted you to have it, I thought you might get lucky and get a golden hahnii or solid gold. I'm happy you like it. You have sent me some wonderful sans and I was happy to send it to you. :)

I have another pot full of Seibert that has a lot of new pups, 5 now, so I don't need more.

Thank you Nancy, I didn't want to part with it but if you lost yours, it's only right.

Nancy, was it you that first mentioned mouthwash for leaf rot? Your 'hot mess' is the rot I had on my Seibert when I used the mouthwash on it. And it cured it. After it was well on the way to recovery, I sprayed it with Bayer systemic fungicide just to make sure. It looks like hell from the leaves being removed and bad spots cut away, but it's healthy now and leaves glow from the oils in the mouthwash.

Did you already try this?

Russ

Russ, it wasn't me, I think Next Obsession was the person that mentioned it. I never used mouthwash but I

sprayed it with Bayer and then it dried up. I will probably trim the leaves off now that I've brought it in.

Nancy, I remember it was NextO now that you mention it. I hope you can save your Seibert, they're so uncommon and hard to find. Plus I have a fascination with the variety because it's a green sans that can potentially produce Golden Hahnii and Solid Gold offsets. One of mine produced both some years ago, which was amazing. Too bad it doesn't propagate true from leaf cuttings.

Russ

It is amazing to me, that as terrible as that Seibert looks, it is producing two golden hahnii. That is the same Seibert that had two golden hahnii, a solid gold and another Seibert connected when I got it. I'm going to try to ignore them so I don't kill them, lol.

Survival instinct is strong. Mama knows she's in trouble so she's producing progeny to continue on. Actually, I wonder if these offsets were initiated before the bad stuff started to happen, but hadn't shown above the mix yet.

In any case, you'll have some nice new plants. I just hope they don't get that crud from the parent.

Russ

I don't think so. When I separated them I didn't see anything forming and they've had those spots since I got them in December. I pulled off the bad leaves, even the top was bad but the three bottom leaves are firm. It looks odd but I hope they survive.

Oh yeah, this looks great Nancy!! I think you've got control of it now. If this was mine I'd be hoping it produces another Seibert to replace the parent plant. But maybe you have a bunch of them in addition to this one.

Russ

I have some Seiberts in another pot, two full size plants and 5 offsets coming up.

I was checking my silver blue and found an offset. I've been treating this plant for mealies.

Excellent Nancy!! Can't have too many Seibert's! I mean any sans that can give you three different varieties of offsets is well worth having... Golden Hahnii, Solid Gold and Seibert.

I know Silver Blue is VERY slow so a new offset is a noteworthy event, congrat's! I'll bet growing them from leaf cuttings would take forever. Kirkii Superclone is another real slow one.

Russ

Hey my silver blue had one too. I was looking for bugs and there it was.

Rob

No way! I found one today while looking for bugs as well. I was shocked with all this poor baby's been through.

Great Katrina! Is that a Silver Blue?

Russ

Yep! The same one you convinced me was worth saving after 2 bouts with mealies!

Well then, I guess it's showing it's gratitude for still being at your house.

Russ

I am very happy to report that I found a pup on a leaf cutting of Silver Blue.

I removed the eugily leafs before shipping plant back to Chris. Glad I did. 4 months goes by and found this little guy poking out. Also my Gold Hahnii is still puping out all yellow pups. There is a second little pup next to the larger one. Sorry photo is poor. It's thru the glass of my fish tank.

Out of the whole window box of Gold Hahnii, I found one leaf with a few tiny roots. So left go all summer. Roots got bigger but nothing else. Now just spotted another gold pup. Wish it had some green on it. From a leaf cutting, it's going to be regular green or gold. Chance of growing it is nill.

Stush, that pup in your 2nd photo is too cute. I love the coloring.

A week ago my Seibert had 3 leaves left. I thought it would be okay but when I checked it today it wasn't so I removed them. I noticed one of the new GH has bad spots on it. I don't know what to do now. Should I remove it from the mix and see what's going on or just leave it and see what happens?

Personally I wouldn't mess with it other than trying to trim the bad parts off and treat it. Removing from the mix might weaken it. This is the stuff that Listerine stopped in it's tracks on Seiberts of mine. If you don't want to use that, I'd at least drench it with one of the fungicides like Bayer. I followed up with Bayer on my Seiberts after the Listerine treatment.

This disease is rampant right now, I see it everywhere. Odd because a decade ago it didn't exist on my sans. I read that it started in some northern commercial greenhouses about 2010, and they ended up destroying thousands of sans because no treatment cleared up the plants well enough to sell.

Russ

This is a tuff call. Any moisture could spell death. I would do nothing. It could be simple rot due to cold and damp. We know how finicky GH is. Sulfur dust is better to use or a dusting of Captan. I lost my main stock of GH that way and the pups are all ok.

Before;

Nothing I could do to stop the damage on the main stock but it didn't have any effect on the pups so far. You could see that it is very slow growing.

Russ, all of my plants have been sprayed twice and watered with Bayer 3-in-1 Insect, disease and mite control.. That's why I don't understand why it's still affected. I thought it would be okay after all of the bad spots had dried up. I did take a q-tip dipped in listerine and dabbed it on the bad gh spots. Does the rot disease have a name?

Stush my sans have been my house in bright rooms so I know it's not cold. I'm glad you were able to save your gh pups.

Unfortunate that the spraying didn't work that well Nancy. I'm not sure but the disease might be anthracnose, which was the disease that broke out in Florida nurseries in 2010. I understand your reluctance to use Listerine since you tried it already albeit minimally, but I had such good success with spraying my entire plants of Seibert that I hope you will try it. If your sans look like they're goners at some point, you might go for it as a last attempt to save them.

Russ

Hey my silver blue has another pup on it. Rob

Way to go. My leaf cuttings also showed another pup. Now I got two Silver Blues. One leaf was so ugly and half dead but couldn't throw away, and one fell off when taking out of it's pot. Happy now that I saved that old ugly leaf.

Very nice offsets on your silver blue sans, Stush and Rob.

I just found a lot of new growth on my Black Sword.

Nancy, I've never seen a Black Sword or known anyone who has had one. Did you find yours locally, or get it by mail order? It's related to Nelsoni which I've also not seen, and interestingly (and oddly) it's leaf cuttings produce Hahnii.

Excellent score for your collection!

Rob and Stush, looks like it's the growing season for Silver Blue offsets! You guys will be swimming in them if this keeps up.

Russ

Russ, Black Sword was given to me by a very generous person. The longest leaf is 16" and most leaves are around 1 1/2" across the widest part.

One leaf has a thin light green edge.

This Black Sword is very beautiful !

I agree That is really nice one. Congrats!

Thanks Nancy. Chahinian says it's height tops at 12 inches and leaves are up to 2 inches across. So I guess it's in the Futura-size category but doesn't look like one. Leaves should have a very narrow yellow edge but that will fade to green with age of the leaf. Sure is an interesting sans, and really strange that leaves propagate to Hahnii.

Thanks for the extra pics.

Russ

The new growth, from the plant that came from the Whitney cutting, has an odd leaf with ridges.

Finally, almost a year and a half later, this cutting finally has some new growth.

The new growth on black sword has really grown since the last picture I posted.

Nice! My Sans are looking sad right now, it's this New England Winter!

Nancy,

i really like your black sword. Lots of pretty new growth. I was lucky enough to get one of these too. Yours looks like it is growing faster tho.

you mentioned that one of your cuttings took a year and a half to show new growth. That is pretty similar to my experience with leaf cuttings. Takes a lot of patience.

You have a fine collection of sans!

Liking that 'Black Sword'.

Thank you Barb. I was told to use Osmocote in the green bottle. I was surprised to see the new growth. I keep it in a sunny area.

For all of the effort it took to keep that cutting going, it was ridiculous. I was ready to throw it out because it's had roots for a year.

Stush, I like it too and hope that pot gets filled with new plants.