That's a beauty, Sara!

Lovely! Here is a pic of a bloom of my Peace, which is a rooted cutting from an ancient one we think was planted in our garden just after WWII:

Thank you Seil and Jackie! Yours is looking good, Jackie!

Gorgeous! Peace is STILL one of the most beautiful roses ever bred. Now that VID Peace is available, I may just try it again.

(almost-enabled) John

I bought a Peace from Aldi this year. (Yes, body bag). Not thriving, exactly, but alive. Gave me this pretty bloom this past week..

I SO hope she makes it over the winter and thrives! If not, I will certainly try again.

Beauty.

Really beautiful!

Sara-Ann, you take great, great pictures of Peace, but this one is exquisite! Jacqueline and merlcat yours are amazing, too.

WOW! That;s a great looking bloom Sara Ann!

Nice bloom jacqueline!

Nice merlcat!

Lovely Peace pics--one of my absolute favorite roses (other than the BS).

Which reminds me--what did I miss? What is this about a VID Peace? Where? Does it really suppress the BS vulnerability?

Kate

Please help a newbie: what is VID?

That means the "mother" plant has undergone some kind of special heat treatment (expensive) to rid it of all the viruses it may have acquired over the decades.

Whether that helps with BS vulnerability, however, I am not sure.

Kate

Thank your. I think I've read of that for RMV. Maybe with fewer viruses, it's healthier and able to fight off BS? That would be nice because these pics show why this rose is a classic. I never got the attraction until I saw the most exquisite specimen at the Richmond Rose Garden. It was huge, fragrant and just ethereal;I suddenly understood. It was my main "take-away" from visiting that garden.

I love this rose hence my screen name. Mine died during the polar vortex a few years ago and I bought Chicago Peace instead. I may grow her again in the future as it is such a beautiful rose. But having said that I have already grown her twice and room in my garden is running out.

Incredible examples of this fine classic HT. I consider it, then suppose I ought not for winter kill and black spot.

Psst! I am one of those that finds Peace fragrant... Of bananas (that's how it's fruity element translates for me) ;)

Steven

VID stands for "virus indexed". It has NO effect on BS susceptibility other than the plant is just healthier and possibly able to fend off some BS. What it means is that the stock has been heat treated to remove rose mosaic viruses, which are known to weaken the plant over time. All roses which in the past have been budded onto Dr Huey were infected, since all original Dr Huey rootstock was infected (there's a VID DH now, too). Dr Manners at Florida Southern and a few others (UC Davis?) have over the last few years been treating some of the older varieties and releasing them back into commerce through nurseries.

By the way, just as an aside, Malcolm Manners is my hero, lol

John

John, do you know when Dr. Huey started to be used as rootstock? HMF says DH was introduced in the US in 1920. Was it infected from the first? Just curious.

Jackie

Jackie, if I'm remembering correctly, the good Dr. started being used almost immediately after being introduced because of its vigor and (relative) thornless-ness. When he began being used as a rootstock, almost as quickly RMV started showing up in all grafted roses, where the virus was almost unknown in the US prior to that. So it's been assumed that DH was infected from the beginning. There is some (wild???) speculation that early on someone tried grafting an apple scion onto DH, which would have failed but still passed several viruses to the rose. If that particular rose was then propagated for rootstock....there ya go. However it happened, the Dr. is responsible for almost all RMV-infected roses today. Kim R. might have details; I'm just going by things I've absorbed by osmosis, lol. (I'm a great Trivial Pursuits player, just don't ask for sources! lol)

John

Edit: I went looking and found most of what I thought confirmed by none other than Paul Barden. Scroll about halfway down the page. It's a good read.

RMV- WHERE DID IT COME FROM?

Everyone's pics of Peace are so pretty! I tried to grow peace a few years ago and it is one of the few roses that died on me, I think after seeing these pics that I need to try it again.

John - great article. Thanks for the link.

Jackie

Peace is an amazing rose. Its one of those that no rose lover should be without. However, since its probably the most popular rose in the world, its constant reproduction has made it somewhat weak. At least that's what I read in "Right Rose, Right Place" an awesome rose book that I recommend. However, there are still good strains of Peace out there. I got one from Aldi 2 years ago and its been the only Peace rose that has thrived in my garden. (I've bought at least one Peace rose each and every year, I just love it so much, but they always died on me). This one Aldi Peace rose has been the healthiest of the bunch and has produced tons of beautiful blooms. I'm thinking I may have gotten one of the good ones.

In the rose book I mentioned, the Author says that if your rose bush produces a very strong good cane, to try rooting that cane to produce a superior plant. I'd like to try that with my Peace rose.

Mine is a rooted cutting of one we think was planted in our garden by my DH's grandfather in the late 1940s (he lived and gardened at our home from 1915 to 1965).

The driveway was changed and re-built in the mid 1930s, and a row of HTs was planted along it. The old Peace was in that row, although obviously not planted until after WWII.

Jackie

The blooms on my Peace are 5½ inches, huge! The smell is medium strong, tropical fruity like bubblegum. The older more established bushes can produce some impressive bloom shapes, better than any of the pictures posted in this thread so far. The blooms on younger less established bushes are not quite as shapely or well formed.

SoFl Rose, I hope my Aldi Peace turns out to be as good as yours!

It certainly has struggled along, though. Lots of dieback originally, a very rough start.

I wasn't very on it this year. I just happened upon Aldi after they had spent a good deal of time hanging around the store, unfortunately. I got Blaze that day, which took off great! Chrysler Imperial was a total dud and died back to nothing. Peace was somewhere in the middle, closer to the struggling side.

I always have hope though! She is potted up right now but I'm going to put her in the ground during dormancy and see what she does next year. Maybe I'll be as lucky with my Aldi Peace as you have been. :-)

I wish you luck. Who knows where they get their roses from, but I've had better luck with many of my Aldi roses than with any other body bag rose.

JacquelineCA9. Please email me at KathyStrong@Gmail.com. I would love to arrange for a couple of cuttings of the original Peace to which you have access. I grow roses for the California Rare rose auction from cuttings and I have been looking for a "just post WWII" peace rose for AGES and never found one. I am quite sure that rose has mutated quite a bit over the years and the ones currently commercially available are not nearly as good.

Kathy - will do.