Ken, I would be interested to know which ones you're going to try?

I have already ordered several hybrid teas, but don't want to get too carried away, but am really debating whether to try some of the Kordes roses I want on multiflora on fortuniana. How do your Austins do on Fortuniana? I do recall your Lady of Shalott was loaded with buds.

Hey Ken, if you are going to be at the DSD Convention, they will be there. You can ask them to bring the roses there.

I have Tradescant and Christopher Marlowe on fort. They were just planted this year, but look great so far. I am thinking of getting Jude the Obsure, I've been lusting after pictures I am seeing of it. And another Pat Austin. I've killed the first 3.

I've heard from several sources that if you can get a rose on fort. through it's first winter it should do OK. I've been very tempted to give it a try. Maybe I'll go take a look!

Something I noticed and will help their sales is you only have to order 2 bush's now instead of 4 like in past years. That will be a little easier on my pocket. They have also added several roses that are pretty winter hardy. I want to get Dark Night and Remember Me so I can do a side by side comparison with the ones I grow on Dr. Huey. That will be interesting. I already know how well David Austin roses do on Fortuniana. I grow two of them (Scepter'd Isle and L. D. Braithwaite). These two bush's are very big and full. Scepter'd Isle was one of the roses I brought with me from FL. It was 2 yrs old and in a 10 gal. pot when it was planted in Sept. of 08

This is what the bush looked like this past spring. I'm 5' 8" and can stand behind this bush and be completely hidden. That window is 7' from the ground. I grew The Prince in Fl. and it was almost as large as Scepter'd Isle. I'll be adding it to my garden this coming spring. The one thing I have noticed about Fortuniana grafted Austins is the weaker, slower growing ones really respond well to this root stock. That being said, be careful when buying Austin roses on Fortuniana root stock. I can't imagine what Lady of Shalott will be on Fortuniana. Mine is on Dr. Huey and it is a BIG, full bush. The one I WILL get is Munstead Wood. I have the perfect place for it, all by itself so it can get as big as it wants too.

Sara Ann---What HT's did you order?? If you want a beautiful bush that stays loaded with blooms, you might need to put Hot Cocoa on your list. I think you'll really like it.

This bush of Hot Cocoa is just 3 yrs old and is over 5' tall and it stays covered in beautiful foliage from the ground to the top of the bush. I kinda like the bloom production also. This is what it looked like in the spring. This is what it looked like in early August.

One word of advice when buying and planting Fortuniana roses. For them to thrive and do their best, they need a good, loose, sandy loam to grow in. Just for the record, Dr. Huey doesn't do to awful bad in a good, loose, sandy loam soil to grow in. 5 of my 7 Austins are on Dr. Huey and I'm very pleased with how they grow and produce.

Ah, sandy loam? Not here, it's mostly lake bed clay. Maybe I should rethink this.

I'll just note that a friend tried Fort. here. The plants made it through two winters, then all promptly died the next spring. If you have a warmer micro climate, it might work, she had hers in the warmest spot in her yard.

Thank you, Ken.

I don't think I'm showing much restraint, but there are so many I want, and I might change a couple of these and order Hot Cocoa and Elizabeth Taylor. I ordered ten, and I'm not 100 percent sure which the other two are, I don't have access to my email right now, I know for sure I ordered these eight.

Chrysler Imperial

Crystalline

Firefighter

Let Freedom Ring

Lemon Spice

Memorial Day

Tahitian Sunset

The McCartney Rose

Most of these are roses I've already had, and I want to see how they'll do on fortuniana. The two that are new to me are Crystalline and Tahitian Sunset.

Crystalline will look like a "wimp" for 2 yrs, then "BOOM!!!" One of my favorite whites.

Seil---Go ahead and order 2 and put them in big pots. I had a friend in FL. that grew all his Fortuniana roses in large 15 and 25 gal. pots. They did great for him.

I just checked their site, there is no price info, no shopping cart..,,,,

When you go to the K&M website and click on roses, the pricing info is there. I think they will take orders by email, or you can talk to Mr. Mills. He always returns phone calls and is a gentleman. I think, like with most companies, shipping varies, depending on the distance.

Thanks SaraAnn, I will take one more look.

I finalized my order today via e-mail. I ordered on ownroot Sunny Sundays, Babies Blush, Erin Alonso, and Bold Ruler and 2 Black Magic's on fort. Seil, you may want to check his ownroot selection. I got Sunny Sundays and Babies Blush, and Bold Ruler on fort. this year and I saw that they were offered ownroot, also. Good luck everyone in your pursuit of rosebushes!

Sunny Sundays is fabulous. You will be very happy with it.

thank you kyrose. I've been ignoring this post as I thought everything was grafted on Fort. Now I learn they have OR, as well. Why did I read this post! :)

Yeay! They have the prince listed!!

Their price isn't cheap though.....plus the shipping.

Thanks Ken. It's good to know another good nursery is out there. It's just their cost per unit price is way too high for me at this moment, out of my budget. :-) It's like 'Mercedes' brand rose. :-) Please let us know when they have a rose sale. Yesterday I ordered 16 roses from Palatine, a family nursery I really love. The cost per rose there is about $15-16 (US $). I am really happy to have Palatine nearby, they are my 'Honda' brand rose nursery :-) , and they are a lovely family indeed. I know grafted rose price went up a lot in the US, I am very happy to find Palatine in Canada for half of the cost through this forum, so I can have more roses and more blooms in the garden within my budget. Thanks again Ken for letting us know there is another good nursery out there, please let us know when they have a sale. :-)

They have one right now.

How do you order?

Ken, what is it? I don't have any luck planting this time of year....just curious.

The best way to order is by e-mail or by phone. They have a bunch of grafted roses for $12.50 and $10 plus a good hand full of own root roses for $8. I ordered 3 roses that I will pick up at the Deep South District Convention in a couple of weeks. Shelia's Perfume, Good as Gold and Tuscan Sun for $10 each. They will be going into the garden at my work place in the spring. I will pot them into 3 gal. pots for the winter and put them up against the south side of my home for the winter. When it gets REALLY cold, I'll throw a couple of blankets over them.( I NEVER throw away an old blanket or spread) I've never lost a new rose this way. And yes, it pretty darn cold here during the winter

Ken, I don't see the on sale roses on their site......

On their website, at the right bottom there's a red box with a flashing arrow pointing to the Fall Sales Extravaganza, there you can see the roses on sale :-D

Thanks, I will take a look the bands! :-)

Love their prices!! :-) How big is the band?

I can't have their grafted roses since it's too cold here. The own root list looks really good. :-)

This is crazy. I can see the sale blurb on goggle, but nothing shows up when I go to their site. Hmmmm.

Click on the red box on the lower right ......

Here is the link to the on sale rose list:

http://www.kandmroses.com/Fall%20Sale%20Flyer%202016.pdf

Really like Monsieur Tiller, mme Antoine Mari, Louis Philippe, G. Nabonnand, but I don't think I could grow them in my zone.

So is the consensus that only warmer zones can overwinter the Fort. roses. They have so many I want, but only grafted. :( I'm in 6a/b Cincinnati.

Yes, I talked to the owner on the phone. We can't grow them. The hardy own root ones are ok for us in the colder zones.

K&M is expensive, but I will always support Jim and his rose business. He is doing us all a major service by grafting these roses that would otherwise NOT be available anywhere on Fortuniana. If he goes out of business, we'd all be in a real pickle here in Florida. I only know 3 companies that graft on Fort: K&M, Cool Roses and Nelsons. Nelsons does not graft Austins (only Tamora and Abe Darby), Cool Roses is supposed to be grafting Austins on Fort this year, but they have very limited stock and variety (for Austins) and they never seem to have any in stock. If you want to keep having access to Austins on Fortuniana, we need to support K&M. I'd be lost without them.

Plus their roses really do arrive in great condition. I have never lost a rose from K&M, and although I was sent the wrong variety on occasion, they always sent me a replacement or a refund so no complaints.

I do love their rose sale though. Hope he has some hardy own root roses in the future. The $8 per own root rose is a great deal indeed. If you guys see him next time, would you please ask him to have some hardy own root roses, so the gardeners from the north also can support his sales. I'd be happy to buy from him in the future.

Absolutely! It's impossible to be all things to all people, but I was already getting my credit card out for a few I've been wanting until I realized I couldn't grow them. :( I'd certainly prefer to support a business like this.

I have never ordered from them because I don't know if Fortuniana does well here in NJ6b but the sale prices are great for own roots. Oops...forgot to check their zones...

These days there are more nurseries doing the $8, $10 sales.A Reverence For Roses Inc is also having a sale, 4 roses for $40, 8 Roses for $70. Last week, they had some roses on sale for $8 and $10, I bought 2, with the shipping it was like $31.

liakawak(NJ, zone 6b) see my earlier post in this thread. Roses grafted on Fort are planted with the graft union above the soil line, which isn't a pretty thing for us, we need to bury. You can try potted and putting in the garage over winter, but I don't recommend Fort here in NJ.

Sadly my 2 bands from k & m died this summer . Maybe my own fault since I put them immediately in the ground after receiving them in May . should have repotted them and waited for them to grow first .

soFL

Do you grow Austin's Sharifa Asma on Fortuniana ?

@diane_nj I overlooked your post, good to know thank you!

Pink rose, How big were the bands? I am just wondering.

They were around a foot long or less but very thin like sticks .they had gree leaves and an open flower each .