We put ours over the fireplace and it looks really nice. It's a large great room, and so there's no need to put sofa so close that it causes neck strain. Primary seating is centered in front of it so there's no having to look left or right from where you're sitting. The TV is barely angled down for best viewing. It's an important part of our lifestyle--we enjoy entertaining for sports and so the TV is on a lot and needs to be seen easily. The space is for entertaining and TV--we don't have TVs in other places like bedrooms (where I think art looks nicer above mantles/fireplaces).

There's enough space between the fireplace, which is a cool touch one anyway with gas, not wood burning, that the heat isn't an issue. Keeps everything centered and neat. Not to mention, I'm just not into a lot of built ins. I like sleek, minimalist lines better. Too many built ins reminds me of the entertainment center days of old.

smith - I'm not that old - dirt had been around for decades when I was born. I appreciate beauty - I don't feel like I'm sexist to say I enjoy looking at beautiful women - they make themselves overly attractive for a reason I think. On the other hand I would rather not have a woman's body with two beautiful heads on it - they might both have wonderful personalities but my ideal would be to have them each have their own body and were I to talk to one of these women i would rather be able to completely focus my attention on just her to the point of having the other out of my peripheral vision (the ADHD thing again). This is how I perceive the relationship of a TV over a fireplace - two wonderful distractions - but please one at a time. In this case I find one of the wonderful distractions to have a personality so at odds with my own (philosophy) that I no longer take the time to see if there is something there worth discovering buried beneath the skin so to speak - I have seen enough - we broke up - codependency and all. We're much happier seeing other people now - myself one at a time.

Smith6040, you're right on the age associated views on TV. I'm younger than a 1930's but have to agree, the longer I live, I have to agree somewhat with their idea. 'Dating Naked' LOL!!! OMG , and now a gal is suing because her boo-boo was too visible as she frolicked in the sand with some dude? 'Naked and Afraid' Why? An entire film crew is there. What's to be afraid of? Moving on to some sort of Mommy/Wife swap designed to give new perspectives to couples either too lax or too structured to have quality family lives. And those are the first ones off the top of my head. Is that what young couples want to impress in their children's young minds? Glad you brought that up Smith. I watch some news until it gets repetitive. Go ahead an laugh, I watch National Geographic, some documentaries and yes, Andy Griffith and Big Bang Theory. Of those, one makes me feel warm and fuzzy as I remember growing up in the mountains of NC (I can assure you, Mayberry towns were real) and the other one just makes me laugh, period.

LOL - I'm not familiar with Dating Naked - if that is a show? I have heard of Naked and Afraid and Wife Swap - never seen either of them. I only watch the Seahawks, and when the weather is nasty - the 10 o'clock news to prepare our business for the following day. My kids are allowed to watch Nat. Geographic - I don't judge LOL :)

A big difference between nude and naked - nudes over the fireplace - naked on the TV. None of the complicated issues with a fireplace or wood stove, just pure, wholesome enjoyment - that is why I think they are poorly paired.

I have a new gas fireplace in the corner of a small room. I put candles on the mantle, and they melted. They told me not to put a TV within 3 ft of the fireplace, and that included the sides. I guess if you don't mind replacing your TV, you can put it where you want. Personally, I don't like looking up at a TV because I get a stiff neck and it's very painful. This fireplace has a fan built in, and it puts out a lot of heat, so I don't put the TV near it. I'm not a fan of black screens, and I wouldn't want to look at one above my fireplace, and I don't wish to replace one. Even in a small room, I found a place to put the TV where it can be viewed from the kitchen, and the seating area.

"............looking up at a TV because I get a stiff neck" Bingo!

we have I stalled numerous television's over Gas and wood burning fireplaces without incident. As long as there is a minimum of 8 inches of projection separating the two. As far as looking at a blank screen when they TV is off. Consider using a Artscreen.

I have never seen an art screen, but I'll look into that. It would look nice on any TV, not just above a fireplace. I know this is a popular option, and sometimes necessary, but I cannot look UP at a TV for more than a few minutes. We looked at several houses where they took their TV with them when they moved, and it left a mess above the fireplace (wires, etc.). You would have to cover it up with a piece of art, or a mirror, and hope it looks good. I wasn't too keen on that. Only a skilled craftsman could repair it, and now you're looking at spending money where you would rather not have to.

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DreamDr, congratulations - you interrupted my evening of smiles tonight. I had to chuckle to myself thinking about this thread - and fires/tv.

Our family had a full Friday - 10hr work days, kids had full school days, daughter did an hour or so of homework not required but insisted. We spent some time playing games by the fire before the kids bedtime. I spent a few hours after work staining the garage cabinets and then after the to-do list was completed sooner than expected ended up with some free time (no tv up to this point). Friday night; a few beers and relaxing on the couch sounded oh so good since it's 16 degrees out and it was 10:30pm. Chopping cedar kindling for 45 minutes in 16 degrees just isn't very much fun. Although I did thoroughly enjoy watching every slice of cedar fall off each piece of wood I dissected.

Just wanted to share that fires, although sacred in your setting, can also be functional. The 5 ton heat pump has kept our home at 71 throughout the last few months cold spell but the most recent 16 degree weather has certainly kept it on the low end (68 degrees) more than not (I don't use the emergency heat).
After firing up the 44 Elite tonight - a handful of kindling, 3 small cedar pieces and 2 decent Doug Fir logs had us at 72 within 30 minutes of lighting the paper.
The entire house was at 75 degrees in an hour and the heat pump shut down for the first time in a few days.

Moral of the story, I've never been so cozy, warm and relaxed - all while I enjoy my HUB IPA watching whatever was on the TV when I turned it on, and the TV happens to be over my heat source :-))))
I'm all smiles at 77 degrees right now ;-)
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smith - in college the phenomenon was called "thermal delight". I was in the "nuts and berries" studio for two years - front end of "green/sustainable" design. My kindling is sadly made from client's homes that were poorly designed by well-meaning architects and do-the-minimum builders - "great architects" - bad detailers - where the devil hangs out. This compromises about half of my work. The siding that cannot be reused is split into kindling - there is a lot of it. When my stove is fired up we usually hit around 74 - that stops the back up heat from kicking in in all but the worst weather - below 10 below.

5 ton - lots of SF/volume? I've developed a building system that rivals a commercial freezer for efficiency and costs less than traditional construction and is DIY friendly - no maintenance for 80 years - it is gaining traction and I'm going to do a show home
soon - breaking the barriers of preconception from an aesthetic
perspective - something truly different will look different. It can be
made to look traditional (even adorable) but that adds expense that is not absolutely
necessary and raises the threshold relative to realization by cash
strapped people. Glad to know you're out there - thank you for using real stone.

smith6040 and dreamdoctor, I applaud your efforts in energy conservation, really...I do! I am curious, though, do you put a lot of smoke into the atmosphere? The modern concepts in building are probably as efficient as it comes. Do you build a one story house? Not only does my neck get stiff, but with arthritis, I don't do stairs, either. Swinging an axe to cut wood, would do me in for a week, so that won't happen, either. Just saying...some health issues should be considered, because there people in worse shape than me.

Sharon - not a lot of smoke if you do it right - dry wood - hot fire - catalytic combustor. On the other hand having a wood stove makes you painfully aware of how much carbon it takes to condition a home - and relative to CO2 the weight of the wood is small compared to the amount of CO2 generated. Concepts in building are one thing - practice is another. There is vast room for improvement - I saw a manufactured (affordable) housing project recently - the long axis of the units is oriented North/South - this means it gets maximum exposure to heat gain in summer and little chance for beneficial gain in the winter - that is just for starters. People want to spend money on kitchen cabinets not insulation - aesthetics before performance. A house I'm working on has virtually no insulation in it - it was heated with radiators when energy was cheap.

Couple pictures of a redo i saw recently (I backed out) - house flipper and his realtor wife and friend - decided to make the kitchen bigger but not bother to insulate the floor or new side walls. They built the kitchen floor right on top of the treated wood decking. They effectively snatched defeat out of the mouth of victory - so sad. This is the third time this house has been rebuilt - another "great architect" design - they rebuild it the same time each time and it fails every time - so MUCH room for improvement.

Sharon,

No, we are running a FPX 44 Elite stove that is a catalyst system (as friendly to the atmosphere as it gets) It is a must to burn dry wood only. Some people only allow their wood to dry one season, I'm 2 season minimum. Smoke is non existent when a fireplace is running properly. We built a 2 story, but stairs are only for the kids rooms, bonus room and workout room/guest beds. Our master is on the other side of the house and utility/kitchen/office/great room/dining etc are all down stairs. I think our plan won 2014 plan of the year or something (Alan Mascord).

Its still 76 today inside - and I've only put 2 arm fulls of wood in the stove since last night.

And yes, we have an extremely effiecent home (just finished build) with every single wall insulated (including interior). Garage floor vapor barrier, garage walls insulated, garage ceiling, entire ceiling/top floor is insulated, and I used Roxul Insulation in many interior walls. Even did under the stair treads which eliminated virtually every step taken. You can't hear anyone from room to room - which we found is quite a challenge and completely unexpected. We've found the kids nearly out of breath sitting on the toilet screaming for toilet paper and we were only 30 feet away :-)

We placed the back of our home facing North and front of home facing south. That was critical for us when we picked our location for the foundation.

DreamDr - very impressive designs - I would love the see the end result/design :-)

We just made an offer on a house in a warmer climate, but we saw some poorly designed houses on our house hunting trips. A kitchen over treated wood? On top of a deck? Yikes! We couldn't get over how many houses had wood burning stoves. I decided they knew more than I did, or there wouldn't be so many around. I guess they do know more than me! This is in Virginia. We lived in a hot climate before we moved to PA, and learned a lot of things the hard way. Insulation, insulation, insulation! Thank you for your input, where are your houses being built DreamDr?

Here is what I chose to do. the previous owner had TV over the fireplace. I am so pleased with the built in cabinet.

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The designs are for global application - they should work ANYWHERE. Particularly suited for coastal installation - take a 4x4 at 200 mph theoretically - use the window door cut outs to make structural storm shutters - round shapes shed wind and water. So far about 50% are "utilitarian" in nature - farm hands, storage with sales, that kind of thing (Midwest/Canada). Some are built close by but most of my clients I do not meet in person - and it seems that after my work is done and the construction starts they fall off the face of the earth and I don't get photos or performance numbers - an eccentric lot and eccentricity demands privacy - they do not want to impress you with their project just be left alone to enjoy it. It would not be unusual for clients to get clever with the design or details since dad is not there (to the project's detriment but not fatal that I know of). I've had to have renderings done of some because of what was done to the design so people could see what it was supposed to look and I can't publish what they did for concern of litigation. More sadness and the reason i need to do the show home - hopefully ending up as a place to have workshops and a place to experience the feeling of the design/system.

This is converted plan from a pdf - not great quality but you can see how it is set up as a solar machine functionally (as designed had 8ft sliders) and as a place to strengthen family socially. The porch is shut off from the house when it is not gaining. The plans are on dreamgreenhomes.com under "manufactured" along with many others - one plan is a Yin/Yang.

These two designs were built in Iowa.

A shot of my solar addition - has a hot tub and two story shower in it - it benefits from heat loss from the house and protects the tub - when it is not gaining it is shut off from the house too.

When the tri-arm is built I think it will be published fairly visibly.

Lastly - what started it all - my wood shed/kid's playhouse. Under $500 materials.

Stay warm.

DR - what exactly is the benefit in these plans? I applaud your unique design, but IMO they have severely limited the design possibilities (limiting customers).

Is there data that backs up significant energy savings; or ?

Fast, strong, affordable, high-performance, recyclable are a few strong points. The sum total of the envelope is 2 layers of 20 ga corrugated, galvanized metal with 4 1/2" of 2# structure foam (R7/in from the specs) plus doors/windows. This is field formed SIP with NO framing/thermal bridging - the siding is the structure and the interior wall surface - there is a fastening point everywhere. The insulated walls go down to the footing (you don't even have to have a concrete footing if you want to go full hippie) - very little concrete and no change in construction assembly - no weak spots. This is a system as opposed to a design - what you do with it is only limited by your preconception. Nothing is buried in the exterior wall - all elec and plumb is accessible without demolition. 80 years no maintenance - then a coat of aluminum paint and another 50 years - or you could pressure wash every couple decades and they would last for hundreds of years.

The entry threshold is very low - you can build a very simple building envelope and get out of paying rent and high utility bills and use that money to finish the project as you live in it. The smaller units can be built "in the back yard" and moved to the site with a truck or helicopter - these structures are very light - more of an issue to hold them down then up. Great for disaster relief - build on a ship off shore and copter into place - all the components nest and the insulation is liquid. Remember the earthquake and tsunami in Japan a couple years back - if these had been on the shore and adequately anchored with the storm shutters in place after a little clean up they would be habitable instead of garbage dumped in the ocean - worst case scenario is they would be recycled.

Bin are built from the top down - you work off the ground not scaffolding or lifts or ladders. They are designed to go up fast and be strong enough to hold huge internally generated loads.

But the heck with all that - round spaces (and conical roofs and domes) are cool and usually very expensive - only for very high-end projects - when ever I would put them in traditionally constructed design projects they would get cut out for budget reasons early on - now they make the project more affordable. - I have included them in traditionally built projects too (like the Victorian plan/photos - framed center, bin sides). You can also build them horizontally for barrel vaulted ceilings (I like to use 18 fr dia ones for tandem garages/work shops) - if you look closely at the Hobbit houses in Lord of the Rings this is how they were constructed - cylinders on their sides. Coolio!

Down side - code officials - HOAs.

Dr. Your designs are unique. I am interested in the round metal building. Interested because are you not sacrificing wall space with the curvature of the design. Is the energy conservation sacrificed by the corrugated metal walls? Seems to me this is a round a mobile home. The only plus is that there is no wind whistling beneath it.

I suggest no TV! The room has a nice flow from living room to kitchen which invites entertaining, conversation group cooking ... maybe the TV can be installed in another room in the house which is delegated for TV watching.

carolynsmimi - I have done a design that is kind of mobile home/manufactured housing inspired but the difference is it would be strong, energy efficient and it wouldn't attract tornadoes. You can build it with a FPF (frost protected footing). I've also designed plans using piers so there is very little disturbance to the site.

A nice thing about round buildings is they have less surface area per square foot or per volume than rectilinear buildings. The construction is similar in concept to SIP panels using OSB (oriented strand board) With this system you don't have to add roofing, siding or drywall - you can but don't have to. You also don't need heavy equipment or certified installer/erectors -some can-do aptitude and direction from yours truly and away you'll go - on your schedule. I've even developed my own foam injection system - inexpensive enough to be "disposable" but can used as long as it is taken care of - a trade secret for use by clients. Using your own labor you can put in 2#, closed cell, structure foam for less cost per cubic foot than rigid insulation and the foam seals as it insulates. Pretty much if you can build a cardboard model of it you can build it with this system - the bigger the dia meter - after about 30 ft, the more complicated it gets though. Biggest dia bin available - 150 ft. - basically a straight wall that closes on its self for all practical purposes.

A shot up through the floor of my wood storage area into the kids play space plus the rain screen vent at the top.

I strongly recommend building a small prototype for many reasons - yourself, contractors, building inspectors and lending institutions - once they experience it they get it. One of my sayings - Don't learn to stucco over the front door. Get all the bugs worked out on a small project that you will need anyway - storage, pump house, dog house, garden shed, garage/staging area whatever. Sweet! And rent it out for an Air bnb.

DDoctor, Is this what you're calling "#2 closed cell structure foam"?

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No - and my research has lead me to believe it is not the best insulation or wasn't - it is/was very expensive - prohibitively so - maybe that is changing but I haven't read about it in my trade mags - it also doesn't seal while it insulates or add strength. Vacuum panels are getting some traction too - theoretically they make sense - I keep wondering how they install without a super structure or thermal bridging and I'm sure they are expensive and don't know their reliability. My system is fairly low tech - the way I like it - not fool proof by any means but closer to it than traditional methods or exotics - fewer steps, more tolerance. When some of these new technologies have been around for a while I will entertain using them.

My house is a 1950's and I love it. It's 'my' era. But being a 1950's I am certain there is no wall insulation. Is it cost effective to do a retro? What is the best material to use? I was told holes can be made and fiberglass blown in between the studs but it can be hit and miss. Then, the sheet rock has to be repaired which, I assume, requires another craft's man. Having lived in a log home prior with the thermal mass insulation the logs provided, I am missing that feature. Age made me leave that wonderful house. Any suggestions or just suck it up and live with it the way it is?

I was pretty limited on where to put the tv when renovating my 1958 mid-century ranch home. It was either on a wall next to the fireplace where the seating would be wonky, or over the fireplace and just deal with the height problem. I found an easy solution in buying a Mantle Mount which allows you to pull the tv down from the top of the fireplace to perfect viewing height. BEST DECISION EVER! The tv looks symmetrical with the room and when it's time to sit on the couch to watch our favorite show we simple pull it down from the wall. You have to check it out here. It also has a handle at the bottom that turns red if the heat from the fireplace get's too hot for electronics. I'm not a sales person, but I struggled with the same problem for awhile and now I'm so happy with my decision. Everyone who comes over loves the fireplace.

in a built in over the fireplace!

carolyn - if I was to do blown in I would use cellulose instead of fiberglass to start with but preferably I would go with the 2#, closed cell, pour foam (no expansive pressure and it seals as it insulates). When we have done this type work (as the architect/GC/specifier) we take a piece of siding off the exterior and then put it back - covering up the holes made to put in the insulation - no holes inside. Use an insulation contractor not a builder/carpenter that does this too. It is very important that all electrical boxes etc are sealed before using the foam or it will come out of small cracks. If the home was in LA I probably wouldn't bother - if it is in Minnesota or Houston definitely - power companies offer rebates for insulation and air sealing as well as rim joist insulation if you have a basement.

Picture of bad spray insulation - pour-able is much more forgiving.

Pic of pour foam I mixed up and put in a bag for an experiment - you can stand on it and it won't crush - did a burn test on it - it was not the flame resistant variety. For my application the flame retardant is not necessary - and it costs more.

Carolyn - If your house is like mine (1958) the 'drywall' is a combination of plaster with wire mesh which surprisingly provides good insulation in my cinderblock home. Where I lose AC in the summers are the windows and old doors. I would invest in those if they are not new, or insulate the ceiling.

DreamDoctor, My home is a brick rancher. Removing siding and applying the product you recommend isn't an option. It's been well cared for. The crawl space is clean and dry, the floor is insulated and it has adequate ventilation beneath. There was a slight termite infestation that was taken care of before I bought it and I have continued the Sentricon contract.

Pour foam goes in at the top of the wall - maybe put holes there and cover with trim? The power company probably does energy audits and offers rebates - find out what is there first and what incentives and options there are and go from there. I made interior storm windows for about $5/ea that are pretty much invisible - they increase the efficiency of the window by about 100% and stop condensation on the glass.

I did an article about this for Mother Earth News - the article should still be on file.

Make sure the attic has adequate insulation and venting - easier to do than the wall and will have a big effect.

........put holes there and cover with trim? Good thought.

We have an narrow ethanol fireplace and a very big family room. We put the TV above the fireplace and it works fine.

Well that's a new term for a bar - ethanol fireplace.

TV takes away from the fireplace, and gives kinked neck. I would get rid of the TV all together for a better life.

Dreamdoctor, I try to conserve energy as well as my bank account. From morning til night I am in my kitchen. The computer is nearby and I have everything I need in this room. It's a family size combo kitchen & dining, 14'X32'X8', a total,of 3328 c/ft with my figures. My table for 8 fits comfortably and I do have family in. But, I live alone. All this to set the stage and ask, what is the most economical, efficient space heater to keep this room comfortable? I just bought a Lasko, 1500 watt, 'cyclonic' Digital Ceramic heater! Whew! What a title. Yesterday and last evening It kept the thermostat in my hall on 70 and kept it from kicking on the natural gas. But, the outside temps were unseasonably high; upper 40's. That will change. Down side already? Noisy as heck. Any advice for someone in their 70's who doesn't see any per$onal gain with geothermal or other types at this stage of life. I just want this space warm so I don't have to wear clothes designed for the Artic.

carolyn - I wear a jacket most of the time in the winter - fleece - nice and flexible - and I wear fingerless gloves when I work on the computer because my circulation slows down when I sit and my fingers get cold - not arctic gear but not beach wear either. This time of year I wear fleece lined blue jeans - Iowa is more than just nippy and put a little wind behind it and it is downright dangerous at times. I am comfortable in this apparel and I don't have to put on a coat to go outside for short periods of time.

Bank account and heat - resistance heat is the most expensive there is. Gas is probably less expensive. Talk to your energy provider/power company for some basics in heat options as well as available rebates. I'm in the middle of a couple renovations - one residential, one commercial. A lot goes into the decision of what system to use finally. With the little I know of your situation - first I'd say make sure you have as few air leaks as possible and put window film on your windows - saves energy cheaply and stops condensation which ruins the windows and the humidity will be easier to maintain.

I would seriously consider getting a small mini-split system. It will be FAR more efficient than resistance/electric heat and probably significantly more efficient than gas. Do your homework - you can buy these systems at Big box stores. I don't know what your specific are but for between $750/1500 you can get a system for this space and they are very quiet. They are usually even more efficient in the cooling mode. Depending on your conditioning needs, potential rebates and current equipment the payback could be in as little as two years - maybe less. Keep that space heater - the mini-splits start to lose efficiency the colder it gets to about -15 degrees F where is does nothing - the gas is probably less expensive at that point but I don't know your exact situation (you could damp down the registers in other rooms too). Your power company should have an audit program (free usually) to help you determine the best options though sometimes the auditors are not very well trained, if at all. Take some time to figure out what is best for you, since it affects you the most you will probably do the best job at figuring this out.

It's all about the dimensions and room design on where a TV should be installed. If you are considering a television in your room.

Or your philosophy about life in general and what you think is important.

Full Motion pull down tv mount can be an idea to consider for mounting above the mantel. The TV can be lowered for better viewing.

TV Above Fireplace

Here is an option to consider. Art Concealment unit allows you to put the television above the fireplace so that two key focal points are in one area. When the TV is not being utilized art work can be lowered so that you can enjoy artwork or family portraits. The mount that allows you to lower the TV is an option as long as you turn off the fireplace while watching TV.

Tranquil mount - that is truly hideous.

I have never understood the appeal of a tv over a fireplace.

I think it will be looked back on as a bad trend, like avocado appliances of the 70’s.

It’s not even functional set up that high. Eye level makes more sense.

An electronic device above a fireplace just seems wrong. A fireplace is a timeless & valued feature in a home. A TV is a disposable annoyance.

Jeanwagner, The appeal is that you only need one focal point when deciding where to put the furniture. I have seen so many truly awkward family rooms due to people trying so hard NOT to put the tv over the fireplace. As long as it is in a built-in and able to be hidden away, I have no problem with it.

With so many open concept great rooms, there’s not a lot of wall space for a TV. In my house, the TV is used way more than the fireplace.

We did place the fireplace and tv fairly low so that its closer to eye level.

our cable service offers a kind of screen saver of scenery so it’s not a black box when the tv isn’t in use.

If the Tee Vee and the fireplace are important they will be part of a good design not rationalized into place. There's nothing like seeing someone trying fix a problem that should not exist. Fireplace at one end of the furniture group, Tee Vee at the other. And "Tee Vee" is how I perceive it. Our wood stove (with a large glass front) is in the dining area and has some comfortable chairs next to it in which to sit and read. The fire box is raised up as should be a fireplace place. Never understood the hearth at floor level and most fireplaces are just holes in the building envelope to get heat out of the house as fast as possible it would seem. A poorly designed, "traditional" fireplace is a dinosaur as is using energy for mindless entertainment.

As a general rule commercial television (and radio) is considered a medium - becasue it is neither rare nor well done.

This is a perfect example for the need of a panel lift from TVCoverUps. Covering it with a piece of art that large would not be aesthetic for the room. by using the panel lift, you would be able to put the appropriate sized framed art on the panel. when viewing the TV the entire Panel would lift.

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