Would a corner sink drive you nuts, too, since you have to have a post in the corner? Here's a quick idea--I drew in the French doors, but if that idea doesn't work out the pantries can be deeper, and the fridge pulled forward. I left just enough space in the back closet to stack rolls of TP, cleaning supplies, and toiletries, and I put a small cabinet to the left of the fridge--could store canned goods or glasses and cups--could have glass doors.

You might be able to fit a small MW on a shelf beside the fridge, with landing space below, or a pull-out board for landing. The MW shelf would need to end behind the fridge door, so that fridge would open fully.

I moved the range just a few inches, to center it between the wall and window, and included a trash pull-out below the prep space.

hmmm that's really interesting! I should have said that I'm not opposed to the sink being off center in general, just if it's going to be below the window it has to be centered. I never would have thought of putting a corner sink like that. I like the idea of the sink being closer to the socializing. I like the idea of the stove centered on that wall especially because I was thinking of the range hood as a focal point and out bothered me that the upper cabinets weren't balanced beside it.

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the corner sink and I wonder if it will make the post more conspicuous. I also wonder how much it will cost to move all the plumbing. My budget is a decent size, but I'm getting to the point that I have to start making sacrifices.

also, I really want the microwave in a bottom cabinet. We don't have the budget for a microwave drawer but we don't use it that much and I'd rather have it out of line of sight.

I'm going to have to look up corner sinks now. thanks!

If you include a MW in a tall cabinet beside the fridge, you can have it at any height that is comfortable for you. Or, if you aren't using custom cabinets, use a standard base and upper. I think a MW on an upper shelf would be more convenient than bending down so far, but my family members are on the taller side.

"...I'd rather have it out of line of sight."

Put it in an alcove with doors that can be closed when it's not in use - out of sight!

Other than additional light and the esthetics of a French door...you will gain additional brick (if demo is done CAREFULLY); it can be used to seamlessly patch the former window area.

I love it, Mama G. Excellent solution.

"...My husband really wants a double farmhouse sink..."

To be functional, that means the sink will need to be at least 36" wide. If it's in the corner, then be aware that it will take 4' or more off each corner.

Why does he want a 2-bowl sink? What about a single bowl?

Marandall, a GWer, installed a 30" single-bowl farm/apron sink in the corner with 2-3/4" columns on each side. She kindly provided measurements and pictures of the installation. Here's a link to those pictures that I saved in my Photobucket account. They may help you if you decide to stick with the corner sink.

http://s182.photobucket.com/user/Buehl/library/00%20Other%20Peoples%20Kitchen%20Pictures/Marandalls%20Corner%20Sink

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he wants a double 60/40 or 70/30 because that way we can have dirty dishes in the large side, and still have access to the garbage disposal and drain in the small side. Dirty dishes pile up in our house. I know it would be great if they didn't, but they do. It's my daughter's job to empty the dishwasher and my job to load it, so if she's running behind, like she frequently is, the dishes pile up.

Also thanks for those pictures, I saved them, that's a great idea. I don't know if I would be hitting my hips on those bumped out parts, but it's certainly something to consider. But yes, I agree we need a 36" one. I was wondering about a 33" one, but I know a 30 isn't enough.

Yeah, I know everyone loves single sinks, but I don't see that happening - the pan in the sink for dishes. I have to go measure my in-laws sink because they have a 70/30 or maybe even 80/20 that is PLENTY big on the large side. That's what my husband has in mind.

do you all think it would be awful to put the sink next to the window? I know I said the sink had to be centered, but I'm loving a lot of the stuff that putting it in the corner gains me, but if I can't make it work there with the size and the cabinets (custom may not be in the budget, I'm looking at semi custom now), maybe it wouldn't bother me if it was REALLY not centered under the window. The existing sink is off center by about 2 inches. I think that looks like a mistake, but maybe if it was intentionally not centered, it would be alright? Kinda like this:

I'd lose some upper cabinet space, but not a ton.

here's the 3d mock up:

and I added a little bit of counter back over by the fridge. although now I realize that I took out the microwave space again. ugh! I really have to stop doing this and do some work.
And the floor plan. I put the full depth base cabinets on the peninsula because it was easier than using wall cabinets as base cabinets in this lowes software for a quick mock up.

Not a fan of the latest mockup with the very off center sink. I suggest putting the sink wherever it fits naturally and adjusting your faucet/sprayer to make sense. For instance, my sink is 4 inches off center to the left. I mounted the faucet center with the sink itself, then put the sprayer 4 inches off center in the opposite direction. The sink isn't centered on the window, but the faucet/sprayer combo are.

How about if you and your daughter switch jobs for a two week period? That way she can see how things run when the dw is always available. You can explain the sink problem as a good reason for the experiment. Nobody wants a double sink. After the two weeks ask her which job she wants.

That's another interesting idea. I'm going to have to mock that up after work or I'm going to get fired and not be able to afford any of this! Lol! I'm still contemplating the corner sink but I wonder how big the cabinet would have to be to fit the 33" apron sink. And I read something about corner cabinets having less support for a sink. So I may need to figure out my cabinet person first

Rather than center the sink on the edge of the window, I'd put it near the corner, with the DW to the left. That won't be a popular view, but I have the DW in that location, between the sink and range, with the trash to the left of the DW, and it works fine. It would not be my first choice, but it allows another 24" of prep space in my kitchen.

ETA plan:

I found a couple of double farm sinks in corners, but don't know the measurements:

Most pics of corner sinks show the DW next to them, but keep in mind that there should be some space between them, to allow more room to stand when the DW door is open.

Nkba recommends 21" between dishwasher and center of sink for legroom.

yes I'm thinking some more about the corner sink. I agree that the offset isn't ideal. I looked at the images of Marandall's sink again, and I think that could potentially be done with a stock cabinet modified. I think I'm willing to give up more cabinet space to have it not set back like that though.

I really do like that solution. I think I'm pretty set on that now actually, if I can figure out how to make it work - like what size cabinet I will need

Unsolicited thoughts regarding dishes... I got fed up with our own dish situation so I kept only enough in the kitchen cupboard for one day (4 peoplex3 meals, so I think we have 12 plates and 12 bowls total) and put the rest in a box. We each have a water bottle we refill through the day. If there is s dish crisis I'll hand wash one quickly. This has helped a lot.

i went through a minimalist streak the last time we moved. I also realized the laundry insanity was just that we had too many clothes. We only kept what we truly need and it's made a huge improvement.

ok here's a mock up with the corner using stock cabinets. I put small cabinets behind the post, I don't know how big the post is going to have to be, so I don't know if that will work, but it takes up some of that space, and they could be accessed from beneath the bar. I added that small glass cabinet sort of over/beside the sink because it looked too empty there. I didnt know what else to do. The cabinet between the dishwasher and the sink is 21" but it might be better to have two smaller ones. I also have to measure my dining room because in this scenario I'm going to lose about 3 feet of dining room including the full depth peninsula and the overhang. This has be only sacrificing about one cabinet though. Of course, if the dining room can't handle the reduction, I could move the whole thing over a foot closer to the stove. but then the post isn't really behind the sink. Oh and this was using a 36" sink cabinet.

dan1888 and benjesbride - good ideas. maybe we will try switching jobs, I don't know if we could go with less dishes though - we already have less than you! I think we have about 6 bowls and 6 sandwhich sized plates and 6 dinner sized plates. we are only 3 people though and we almost never eat three meals at home in one day. Frequently the problem with her doing the dishes isn't really her fault. She is just so busy! If she's not home she can't do the dishes and if she's only home long enough to do her homework, I also don't feel like I can make her take time to do the dishes. Sometimes I just end up doing them for her in those cases, but we also need to make it a priority to figure out why her homework takes her so long - she's in fifth grade and not having trouble with any of her work, she just seems to have problems focusing.

The recessed sink front (back 3 to 6 inches) lets you put in a larger sink then you could otherwise in that corner sink cabinet. There are some good threads on GW and Houzz about them. AND lots of photos. We will be doing our corner much like the photos shown by buehl Wry grin my DH is also insisting on a double sink and this is the only way we could fit one the size needed BUT it is not a farmhouse sink which needs the front to be that full 36 inches but his drop in only requires 36 inches a small way back from the front edge of the counter so my 33 inch edge will work.

Recessing the sink back from the front wall of the sink base cabinet more then 3" is a back-killer - and even 3" can sometimes be an issue. If you need more, then you need to either:

• Use a bigger corner sink base cabinet and, yes, it will take up more room.

• Another option is Marandall's installation - she took a standard straight sink base, turned it 45 degrees, and installed it in the corner. I re-posted a link to pictures of her sink in your thread Dorothy Pohorelow (I posted it in an earlier post on this thread). It, too, will take up quite a bit of space. I think Marandall's used 52" on each side of the corner for a 30" single-bowl sink plus a couple of narrow cabinets to gain more standing room.

On the back wall where you have window and door, I would try to make that as much window as I could but I would put the door on the side away from the stove and a fixed window next to the stove.

What you were working with reminds me a lot of Carrie B in Philadelphia with the rowhouse. I thought her plan worked out brilliantly. Back window