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Deep sinks and trash underneath

9 years ago
I am planning a remodel that will include a 48" wide sink. (Similar to a Galley Sink or a Kohler Stages but with a really great seamless drain that I love.) I am working with the owner of CreateGoodSinks.com to build a shallower version than his standard 10" deep sink so that I am able to install a trash drawer UNDER the sink.

In the second photo there are two 25" wide sink bases to house a 9" deep sink. Trash will fit under left side, while the offset drain will allow for the plumbing and disposal to be on the right. This will allow me a blind access corner pull out.

The first image reflects a narrower version of the sink (42" wide) with an 18" trash drawer to the left. This is where I would need to put the trash if it were a standard 10" depth. This is NOT how I want to set it up. I want the trash under so that I can have a blind access cabinet left of the sink. Hence the wider, and shallower version.

In researching a 10" deep sink, I have found that the majority of people are not able to place the trash with a pull out option underneath. I am hoping that some of you that have this set up can confirm that it is an option with a 9" deep sink.

Sink would be 9" deep and undermount.
Rev-a-Shelf double bin, 35qt pull out needs 19-1/4" clearance minimum.

Anyone have insight if this will work? Thoughts?

Comments (28)

  • 9 years ago

    Are you having the sink undermounted or sitting on top of the countertops? This will also make a difference in the amount of clearance you have.

  • 9 years ago

    Is there no better place to put a trash pullout in this kitchen? That sink seems crazy huge to me, and I'd resent the loss of the cabinet space underneath. Heck, I'd be tempted to stick a lidded trashcan somewhere else rather than choose between these two options, but you're only showing us a fraction of your kitchen, so maybe there are other constraints...

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I recommend going to Target or Walmart and buying a plastic waste basket and put on a unit that slides out of cabinet. It will cost a whole lot less, and be just as functional. Just have to find the right height basket. I found mine at Target! In our last house, I actually bought a taller one and simply took a household blade cutter and cut it down to the size I needed. Put plastic bag or paper liner -- done! I also put "sample" granite tiles to line the bottom of my cabinets under sinks and baskets slide out very nicely and they don't damage interior of cabinets, and clean up great. Sometimes, simple is best! Not fancy, but effective!

  • 9 years ago
    Apaquin25, yes the sink is undermount. 9" total depth after being installed.

    Thank you.

    Yes, I know it SEEMS crazy big but in actuality, it's juuuuust right. For me. Instead of the 33" standard sink I have that is really useless other than it being a sink, this is a very useful 48" version with a ledge that will hold cutting boards and bowls and act as a VERY efficient prep area. It's design actually allows it to act as PART of the counter as opposed to just big hole in my counter.

    I am in love with its versatility.

    I have seen others that have retrofitted trash under their sink and admit that I haven't ruled it out. However, this is my forever house and I LOVE to cook and entertain. I think that a 9" deep sink will allow me to place the trash underneath the sink which will actually save me some space. I am going to remodel this house. Once. I want to buy it once and buy it right.

    The sink company is willing to place this specific sink size in their inventory and I know from the oodles of research I have done, I am not the only person facing this challenge. My goal is attainable I just need confirmation on y dimensions from someone that has a similar set up.

    Thanks everyone for your feedback!
  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I actually have a 10" deep undermount SS sink, and used Ikea's Rationell pullouts for garbage and recycling.

  • 9 years ago
    ^^ Well that is good news. Do you know if they are 35 qt. size? I don't want to have to sacrifice the trash size if I don't have to.
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Personally, I dislike the inconvenience of having to open a door and pull out the trash. When your hands are full it's way more convenient to step on a pedal.

    If it's possible to love a garbage can, I love my Simple Human from The Container Store. The bag is completely hidden. It comes out easily. Two doors open on the top when you step on the pedal. Easy to keep clean.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I love that one too. The best!

  • PRO
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The bottom line is NOTHING is more inconvenient, or ruins door finish faster, than opening and closing a door with wet hands/splashes a thousand times a day. This is why the back to back pullout trash and recycle is so popular. Either re think the adjacent drawer base, or the sink. There is no great spot for the very convenient "simple human" can.......without wet hands dripping all over your wood floor, or pulling it near the sink while prepping/cooking. I would avoid under the sink in total. The 36 "hole in the counter" sink would be more convenient than that! Talk about a pain in the kazooooo. Not to mention, there is as much recycle as trash/garbage. Where's that going? Lord, I have a 21/10 inch sink in a 24 cabinet. Prep on a board and send it to the disposal tata!.......more counter space, and a handy pullout!!

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    I also have the rationell pullouts under my sink with no problem i have no idea of the size since I hate trash in the house longer than a day IMO a 48” wide sink is even wider than most restaurants have so makes no sense to me

  • 9 years ago

    I would value counter space over a super large 4 foot wide sink.

  • 9 years ago
    Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

    I just want to clarify that while a 4' sink sounds huge. Truly, I get it. It is so much more than just a sink. There is a ledge built in that holds cutting boards, bowls and prep dishes and some are even built with two ledges allowing you to chop on a board and have a salad bowl or a sheet pan underneath to slide your goods into.

    There are several manufacturers, including Kohler, Create Good Sinks and the infamous Galley sink.

    I've included some photos to give you an idea but it's worth a poke around on YouTube to these in action. Or read the many reviews on Houzz or Gardenweb. I have found that majority of those who build them into a remodel find its there favorite part of their kitchen.

    While it may not be for everyone, I am very excited about keeping all of my prep work INSIDE the sink with extra room for clean up when needed.

    The Create Good sink that I am purchasing also has a seamless drain and the disposal flange pops off and goes into the dishwasher. If you've ever stuck your hand into the disposal to retrieve something to get that nasty gross gunk on your hand from that slimy black rubber, I would guess you would want one too.
  • 7 years ago
    @CJbrewer wondering where you landed as I’m working through a similar situation now with wanting a 48” sink while also trying to create functionality beneath it. I would love to know what you did with the trash and of course if you’re still happy with your sink selection!
  • 7 years ago





  • 7 years ago
    Thanks for sharing - your setup looks fantastic! Are you happy with the layout and sink size? Any suggestions before I pull the trigger?
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks You!

    Are you doing the ledge sink From Create Good Sinks? If so, we did a 1/2” reveal in the countertop and plan to order more accessories in the future, just haven’t gotten to it yet. I would consider Doing the same unless you feel it’s unnecessary based on how you would use it. It takes a bit more attention to keep the ledge clean but really it’s no biggie. I also did the offset drain so it’s on the right. I don’t think I would want the center drain. That way if there are any dishes or anything in the sink, you can still easily access the drain and disposal if it is off to one side.


    Lastly, I have this pop up tub that I store under sink because it folds flat and it‘s super useful given how much water it would take to fill the sink to either soak something or thaw anything. I highly recommend something similar. Here is a link to one I have. You can see it stored next to the filter on the far right of the second photo In the last post.


    https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/prepworks-reg-collapsible-dish-pan/1042694892?skuId=42694892&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_cookware_online&product_id=42694892&adtype=pla&product_channel=online&adpos=1o1&creative=224234111979&device=t&matchtype=&network=g&mrkgadid=558410885&mrkgcl=609&rkg_id=0&gclid=Cj0KCQjwof3cBRD9ARIsAP8x70OIGqkeo35S9TYMvYTXEonTt1nOzYKtLB36EXkPLuBsA5gUbU6JIt4aAsajEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds



    1/2” reveal:



    Happy planning!

  • 7 years ago

    Thank you! And yes, I am very happy with the sink size but if you can fit the 48”, I would go for it. I wish I could have, but I certainly do not regret my decision.
    One note, if you have more room than I do...I stand and prep right where the cutting board is and it’s directly in front of the trash pullout. If I had more room, I would place the trash left of the sink so that when both my husband and I are cooking together, the trash is easily accessible without moving. No big deal to me but it annoys the hubby. It’s minor, but worth considering.
    Are you purchasing from Creat Good Sinks? If so, I would recommend an offset drain. Mine is on the right and it allows me access to the drain and disposal if there happens to be dishes in the sink or if I am cutting etc.
    I would also recommend a collapsible wash basin. it takes entirely too much water to fill the sink so it’s very handy for dishes or soaking anything smaller. I bought mine at Bed Bath and Beyond.... here is a link.
    https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/prepworks-reg-collapsible-dish-pan/1042694892?skuId=42694892&mcid=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_cookware_online&product_id=42694892&adtype=pla&product_channel=online&adpos=1o1&creative=224234111979&device=t&matchtype=&network=g&mrkgadid=558410885&mrkgcl=609&rkg_id=0&gclid=Cj0KCQjwof3cBRD9ARIsAP8x70OIGqkeo35S9TYMvYTXEonTt1nOzYKtLB36EXkPLuBsA5gUbU6JIt4aAsajEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Lastly, we did a 1/2“ reveal in the countertop as I plan on purchasing additional cutting boards and accessories. While not necessary, I would consider it when deciding how you are going to mount it. It takes a bit more effort to keep the ledge clean but it’s no biggie. Just depends on your preferences.

  • 7 years ago

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  • 7 years ago

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  • 7 years ago

    I just realized the above post did not have any of the information I typed up. Yowza, sorry about that. Goodness, I have typed and retyped this info so many times. It seems the post will not work if I include photos. At least on my iPad.


    We we opted for the 36” sink because the 48” didn’t allow for the corner cabinet and I needed the space. I planned the entire kitchen layout around that sink and try as I might, I couldnt effectively make the 48” work. I am very happy with the 36 though. Very happy indeed. It if you can make the 48” work, I would go for it!


    Anyhow, I wanted to say that the sink set up with trash underneath only worked because we went with frameless canbinets. With the additional interior space we managed to get a 3/4” clearance from the top of the the trash can to the bottom of the sink. With traditional cabinets, it would not have worked.


    If you have other questions, don’t hesitate to ask.


    Happy planning.



  • 7 years ago

    CJ Brewer-----Thank you so much for your pictures and tips ! We are doing a complete remodel and I am wanting the 46" ledge sink from Creategoodsinks. Are you happy with putting the trash next to the sink ? i have room on an island or next to the sink and I was wondering if having it in the island if it would be better when more than the two of us are home. Instead of crowding everything next to the sink....but having said that, it seems next to the sink is handier for food prep trash. Also, I was going to do the 1/2" reveal to have two ledges....are you happy with that decision ? Thanks again for sharing pictures ! Your kitchen is really nice !!

  • 7 years ago
    Laura,

    Your decision to use Create Good Sinks is a great one, super happy with ours. You mentioned a 46” sink. Did you mean 36”? Or 48”? Either way, it’s great and I would absolutely, definitely, positively put the trash next to the sink. Way easier for prep and cleaning up dinner dishes. For example, what if you were opening some raw meat in your sink and then had to carry the wrapping across a walkway to the island trash? I wouldn’t want that dripping...
    As far as the 1/2” reveal, yes I would do it again. BUT, I would be very sure that whoever installs your sink uses a very good sealant. We used Cambria for our counters and they installed the sink. When I clean (spray) of the ledge and the sink, I am aware that the caulk/sealant they used is the only keeping water from escaping. Fingers crossed it lasts a very long time. Much luck in your remodel!
  • 7 years ago
    Seems easier to just install a slide out tray in the cabinet under the sink and go buy trash bins that fit. And if you have a dish towel at the sink, then you can dry your hands.
  • 7 years ago
    There will be the usual plumbing under the sink, and maybe a garbage disposal. Nothing else can go under the sink except cleaning supplies and a box of dishwasher detergent pods. Put the garbage pull-out next to where you will be doing your prep work and vegetable chopping.
  • 7 years ago

    @cjbrewer - Thank you for the detailed explanations and photos of your beautiful kitchen! We are in the process of ordering our sink and considering a Create Good Ledge sink (30" with 8" depth). We want to have a trash pull-out (either bespoke or after-market) underneath the sink to maximize space (frameless cabinets) in our teeny tiny kitchen. Do you mind sharing the depth of your sink? Thanks in advance, and also for sharing your experience with the CG sink!

  • 7 years ago
    @Satarupa, our sink is 10” deep. Since your doing frameless cabinets, I can’t imagine you will have trouble finding a trash solution that fits underneath.

    Good luck, may your reno come in under budget and on time!
  • 7 years ago

    Thank you for your response and for the good wishes!