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Old seeds: worth a try?

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago
I have a box in the pantry (cool and often dark) where I tossed seed packets. I reorganized the pantry and sorted them all by date. I have a few dating back to 1998, most cluster between 2001-2006. Many are direct sow varieties, which I must have bought thinking I’d have better luck. Both perennials and annuals, no really tender annuals.

I am not good at growing things from seeds (with the exception of things I gather in my garden, like columbines, and direct sow immediately), so there are many many things I bought with good intentions, but are still sealed. Others I can see I opened the packet and tried, but I don’t remember EVER seeing the flower, so they must have been failures.

Half are vegetables, mostly lettuces and LOTS of pole and bush beans. I know I gave up on the beans because the rabbits and squirrels ate them as soon as they emerged. An attempt to fence them was abandoned when I tripped over the fence trying to step in or out. I’d try those again if anyone has any suggestions. Sprays were not effective for me.

Some are very old and I don’t know the viability of older seeds. Must depend on type? I grew some Heavenly Blue Morning Glories this past summer that were from 2011. Direct sowed, just poked them into the ground in July. I think everything sprouted. They were great, I hope they did a little self-sowing. I also had some White Moonflowers, also 2011, none of those sprouted.

I am once again tempted to try winter sowing for the flowers, at least. I read about people who have great success. I am thinking about dumping whole packets into the trays because many might not sprout.

What about you? Any luck with older seeds? Thanks!

Comments (8)

  • 9 years ago

    Give them a go - some are notoriously short lived while some are exceedingly long lived, it does depend on the plant. I had some 10 year old poppies show germination beyond my wildest dreams.

    linnea56 (zone 5b Chicago) thanked faerygardener z7 CA
  • 9 years ago

    I WSed 8-yr old tomato seeds a few years ago, thinking they were probably too old to germinate. Hah! They sprouted just fine. That was the year I ended up with 4 tomato plants, way too many for my terrace container garden. But lots of toms to enjoy and share.

    A couple years ago, I found some seeds which I had gotten from my grandmother, who died in 1989. The seeds were for a local wild herb (I think, don't know the botanical name) called "callaloo", which is used to make a very delicious gumbo-like soup/stew. I sowed them just because, never expecting anything to happen with seeds that had to be at least 25 yrs old at the time. I did not get 100% germination, but I got a decent showing of plants out of it. Who knew?

    So, yes, old seeds are definitely worth a try. The alternatives are either leaving them to get older, or tossing them in the trash.

  • 9 years ago

    I recommend doing a germination test before planting to see which seeds are still viable. It's pretty easy - here's how to do it:

    https://www.highmowingseeds.com/blog/how-to-do-a-quick-germination-test-at-home

    linnea56 (zone 5b Chicago) thanked Laura at Rather Square
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks for the ideas. I'm glad I didn't toss them now. Laura, vbuff, I saved and copied those germination test instructions. I am planning to try winter sowing (for the first time) for the perennials. This way I won't waste space (I have a limited area to try this, as I have to hide it from view) and effort.

  • 9 years ago

    As a (very) general rule of thumb, larger seeds seem able to maintain viability better than tiny seeds - curcubits are notoriously long lived, as are legumes. Lettuces and most definitely any of the apiaceae (carrots, parsley etc.) have very short term viability. I have successfully sown 6 year old tomatoes...but with a much reduced germination rate than normal.

    Linnea - the single biggest difference I have found, after many years of growing from seed, has nothing to do with potting mix or even different germination strategies (although these are pertinent)...and absolutely everything to do with acquiring fresh seed by either seed saving, swapping or having a good knowledge of the provenance of commercially bought seeds (some seed companies are notoriously...dodgy. My success rate doubled across the board when I started collecting my own seeds...even tricksy double dormancy types. And if I was starting out seed sowing, avoiding old seed would (now) be my very first step to discourage disappointment.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Square foot garden method raised beds are easily fenced and since one can reach across the bed from all four sides one doesn't need to step over the fence. If you want to plant in the ground you could fence off squares of ground. I have used that method with some netting placed across the top, attached with clothes pins, to prevent deer from eating my peppers. You might wait to add poles until the pole beans have good growth or use netting that could go part way up the poles and remove it when the plants grow high enough that rabbits won't be able to reach the tops. My deer eat some leaves off pole beans but they don't eat the blooms or beans and the leaves regrow. Probably less total crop but we still get more than enough beans for my family so I no longer put netting up along the top half of the pole bean fencing.

    Beans grow well with direct sowing here so I don't ws them.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    IME, LETTUCE seeds do not germinate well after a few years. Germination testing is a good idea and if you still get some germination but not as much as you would like go ahead and sow thickly and cut off extras that germinate.

    Old TOMATO seeds can germinate. One thing that helps is soaking them overnight in some water with a drop or two of liquid fertilizer added.

    Cool and dark storage helps to prolong the germination ability.

    I planted seeds from 2006 last year and still had germination on some but others were no show. I say try and expect varied results. If you have something that must germinate buy new seeds or be prepared to buy starter plants in the spring.

    Edited to add:

    If seeds don't germinate you can sow something else in the same container, just stir up the mix and add new seeds. I use a different kind of seed in the second sowing. You might even be surprised with a seedling or two of the original seeds germinating with your new seeds.

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