I love worms I'm hoping for more with all the stuff I've put down this winter.

Glenn, I saw maybe 5 or 6 total last year before I started mulching wiith leaves and doing permaculture. This year, they are everywhere! The soil in my south outside garden was just plain old sand, but this year, it's got some color to it, so I know they've been doing their job.

DG funny thing about the permaculture its something I always did but i didn't now it had a name till a few years a go when i found a book at a yard sale for a $1. To me it eas just a old way of doing things. I learned gardening from my grandma and great grandma and that was the way they did it so that is the way I do it. Besides i don't have the money to go buy a lot of stuff so i use what I have or can get for free or cheap when i have money. So far I've spent $215 on my garden over three years and $65 of that was for my satsuma I had to have it. When it warms up i will clone you a everbearing mulberry. I will let you know when its ready.

Glenn, my grandmother taught me permaculture before it ever had a name. She called it "Doing what nature does," and that's what I always called it until some guy invented a name for it to sell a book.