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Trying not to kill a phalaenopsis

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago

I think it's a phal, anyway! I'm not new to plants, but am new to orchids. I've done some background reading here, and was hoping for a little direction.

The phal was a gift that came along in a pot with another plant. The phal was in a little cup of peat moss inserted into regular soil, which the other plant was rooted in. It's the kind of thing people buy at Home Depot and probably throw away after the flowers drop.

Anyway, I pretty much ignored the whole thing except for water when I didn't forget. The other plant died off and I kind of ignored the orchid for about a year, other than the occasional watering. There were 3 little leaves and one fell off. Awhile back one long air root grew all the way down to the counter top, and is still there. I didn't know what the heck that thing was! lol. About a month ago, two new air roots started to grow. It occurred to me this little thing was trying to make a go of it, so I am making an effort to revive it. Being the type who over analyzes everything before I do anything, I decided not to be so anal this time. So after minimal research, I bought some bark potting medium and orchid plant food. Then I proceeded to make some mistakes.

The orchid was planted in peat moss and was growing through a small plastic cup. I carefully cut the cup away with a dremel and removed all of the dead and rotting roots and planting media (there aren't many roots).

Mistakes 1 and 2 -- I did not sterilize the scissors and did not use any peroxide on the roots.

Mistake 3 -- I repotted with bark chips and after a good soaking I realized that the bark seemed hydrophobic. I learned today that the bark should be soaked for half a day before potting. It would have been nice if the instructions on the bag mentioned that.

So I did this last Sunday, 6 days ago and haven't watered again since. The leaves look exactly the same, but the two new air roots look a little dehydrated, like there are some furrows in the root that I'm not sure were there before (see pic). The plant is in a plastic cup with holes in the bottom, which then sits in the pink pot. There is a good 1" gap between the bottom of the plastic cup and the pink pot, which is good. Ignore the green bowl. My wife has these fiesta ware bowls near the window and she doesn't yell at me when I put the orchid in the middle bowl, so that's where I've left it in order to get close to the window.

Anyway, my sense of it is not to remove the plant in order to peroxide the roots, and not to remove it from the media in order to soak the bark.

Questions:

1. Should I remove the plant from the media to sterilize the roots and soak the bark? There aren't many roots left to be disturbed. Alternatively, will a couple extra rinses with water during the week help to hydrate the bark?

2. The plant has been at a north facing window and I'm not sure it will have enough light to flower again. I don't really have any furniture in front of east windows. It has been at this window for a long time, but it doesn't seem to be growing new leaves. When are these things dormant? Is it just a matter of needing more light?

All comments very much appreciated!

Comments (22)

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Do not disturb it. The leaf color tell me that it gets enough light. When watering, bring it to the sink and let the water run through every 4 or 5 days. Do not get water in the crown. Every day or 2 you could get a spray bottle and spray the roots with water. The roots should turn slightly green from the water of the sprayer. Then add patience...Spray fertilizer weekly.

  • 9 years ago

    Thank you Mr. Monkey! Should I spray the leaves and roots with the dilute fertilizer, and then just make sure there is no standing water in the crown?

  • 9 years ago

    Spray just the roots with water and fertilize every 2 weeks poured in the pot and sprayed on the roots. Do not spray the leaves. It won't hurt them but orchids are poor foliar feeders. It is about the roots you see and do not see. I think you have a plastic pot in a ceramic pot. The water must drain completely. when watering can the water drain out? If not, it will kill the plant over time.

  • 9 years ago

    The plant is in a plastic pot with holes in the bottom. This sits in a pink ceramic pot and there is about an inch gap between the bottom of the plastic pot and the pink one. I remove the plastic pot and run sink water through it. When it stops dripping I return it to the pink ceramic pot. Any bit of remaining water can drip to the bottom, so yes it will drain completely.

    Thanks again for your help!

  • 9 years ago

    Make sure you water the air roots every few days, I believe that's what they meant when it was mentioned above to spray the roots. They're keeping your plant alive. They probably grew because the plant didn't like the media it was in previously and it was an attempt to stay alive. Good luck and you'll probably do great with it.

  • 9 years ago

    The roots will get a shade of green if they are working after you spray ...

  • 9 years ago

    Yes, I watched for that while spraying them and they are a sort of light green color when sprayed thoroughly. I think the little guy is gonna make it!

  • 9 years ago

    Is it recommended that orchids be turned in the window every once in awhile so they don't lean towards the light too much?

  • 9 years ago

    Turning an orchid for even sun around the plant is something I would not do. Orchids have been around for 10's of millions of years. They are very evolved. They have developed behavior that adds to their survival. In nature they lean almost 90 degrees sometimes. That keeps water out of the crown. Find a spot it likes and live it there. Once it is in bloom move it to a place that pleases you. After the bloom put it back in its growing spot...

  • 9 years ago

    Maybe a little difference between us indoor growers and the outdoor growers but... For my orchids that over-winter in front of windows (mostly catts and dends), I don't necessarily move mine but I do turn mine 1/2 turn occasionally. I do it for aesthetic reasons, I like them to grow fairly straight as water in the crown is easily avoidable for me. I also do it when they are summering outdoors, that is when I detect undesirable leaning.


    Bob

  • 9 years ago

    Your plants will still like you if you provide them things they want. But the won't like you as much if they are required to do aesthetic gymnastics...You still get nice flowers...

  • 9 years ago

    OK well then I'll just leave it be. I'm wondering about the dormancy I've heard about with orchids. I know maybe I should google this, but can anyone give me a quick review of how that works? Do orchids lose their flowers and then go dormant for a period of time? Does the growth of air roots like mine suggest that it is coming out of dormancy and might begin to grow additional leaves?

  • 9 years ago

    They usually flower once a year, but I've had some phalaenopsis that bloom over 9 months out of the year and some that bloom a couple times a year. It all depends on the species. Once the blooms die, I just cut the stem down by the leaf. If they grow new leaves, you know it's doing ok. All my phals grow air roots. In the wild all their roots are exposed and wrap around rocks, tree limbs, etc. They don't grow inside any media in the wild except for a few types but phals grow with roots exposed and the plant hanging downward. I think they probably got the name air roots because they popped out of our media and grow in the air. They are just as important to the plant as any other root. I think you saved your plant in time and with care it will do just fine.

    danielj_2009 thanked mary_c_oswald
  • 9 years ago

    So do they technically have a dormant period, like after flowering, or do they just grow very slowly?

  • 9 years ago

    Phals have a schedule but do not go dormant.

    danielj_2009 thanked shavedmonkey (Harvey in South Fl.)Z10b
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well, Daniel. I did not expect to see you on this forum. It might not
    surprise you to know I've had a few orchids since 1972. My high count was 30 pots of fragrant cattleyas for the first 10 years. Cattleyas are the only ones with a fragrance that I know of.

    I've never sterilized
    anything and never fertilized them. Those first ones I kept outdoors except when blooming. If they are
    outside when the flower is open and an insect crawls in, it pollinates
    the flower and it goes to seed. I would still have those except I left them in the care of a friend who killed them all inside of 3 months. Now I have 3 phals in various windows around the house. As yours matures it might begin to
    bloom twice a year...or not. Mine need to be repotted, too.

  • 9 years ago

    Hi David! First off, what is wrong with you people? Can't you have just one orchid? lol. I'm interested in how things grow, always have been, and this particular plant has some sentimental value, so I wanted to get it back to good health if possible.

    Nice to see you here, too!

  • 9 years ago

    Phals don't have a dormant period, they are just very slow growers. They require a temp drop of about 20 degrees to initiate a flower spike, which is why they tend to bloom in winter. Some can bloom many times per year and others don't.

    danielj_2009 thanked suzabanana (6b Boston/N. Shore)
  • 9 years ago

    Can't you have just one orchid?

    Ummm, no???? SO WHAT'S IT TO YOU? I am NOT addicted to orchids!

    Now that you've got one and you kept it alive longer than a few weeks, all your friends and family will be giving them to you as gifts. The secret, if there is one, is that they don't like wet feet. Once the roots are wet (green looking), let them dry out.

    Here's more from the Chicago Botanical Garden. Orchid roots are much more complex than they look. That video explains it somewhat, but the very outside of the root structure has a paperlike quality. When it gets wet it goes from semi opaque to transparent. That's how you know it doesn't need more water.

  • 9 years ago

    So it has been an entire 3 solid months since I repotted the orchid pictured above. I decided to learn how to care for it and bring it back to health, if possible, with the help of you guys and gals.

    Each week I give it a good watering and look for signs of life...nothing. The thing might as well be made of plastic. But, I keep going.

    I go to the supermarket where they have a table with about 10 phal's, each with multiple spikes full of flowers, and each with probably ten huge leaves. Priced at $19.99! I have this fleeting image of me dumping my puny plastic imitation of an orchid in the trash and replacing it with one of the store bought beauties.

    Then I come to my senses and realize that even Charlie Brown's Christmas tree was beautiful once cared for. So I trudge on week after week, watering, spraying, inspecting, wondering why I'm waiting for a plastic plant to actually grow.

    Two weeks ago, I happened to notice something big, I mean reeaaally big! I could just glimpse what looked like a new root looking sideways through the media. That has to be a good sign, right?

    And today, the big payoff! My two air roots have started growing again, with the tips breaking out like a snake molting, but the real news is that the little plastic orchid is actually starting to grow a new leaf! Hooray!

    Well, the new leaf is more of a sliver of the beginning of what looks like a leaf, but I know it is a leaf. I'm figuring 5 or 6 weeks tops and my little orchid will be as impressive in its own way as those fancy uptown supermarket orchids. (Of course by impressive, I mean there might be 3 whole leaves and one more root by then).

    Life is good!

  • 8 years ago

    Just thought I'd update my progress. My plant finally got on the horse and popped out a third leaf. As Rodney Dangerfield would say, "Whoopie!" It took a couple of months for the leaf to grow, and for the last several months absolutely nothing has happened. Oh, I did get a couple more air roots while that leaf was growing.

    I haven't fertilized at all and haven't been misting the roots between weekly watering. Don't know it those two things will help. I'm filling the pot with water and letting it soak for an hour or so before draining completely. Seems to be OK with this. I'm hoping I get a flower spike soon, but maybe we need to grow more leaves before attempting a flower? Baby steps. Maybe we'll get another leaf in 2018... :o)

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