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yungacense x papilio

9 years ago

I live in Germany an have been growing some Hippeastrum species and have been doing some Hippeastrum hybridizing on a small scale just for fun for about 8 years now.

H. papilio and H. yungacense are two of the most beautiful wild species for me.

On ebay I found an offer for hybrid seeds of these two species (yungacense = mother). Seemed to me to have a big potential for beautiful offspring. I could not resist. All 5 seeds germinated well. Now about 2 years and 2 month after sowing the first seedling has opended his two flowers. The color is a velvety dark red with darker stripes. I hoped for a bit more intensive papilio patterns. But I like the flower anyway. The size of the flowers is only medium, but I hope for improvement when the plant gets older.

What do you think about this result of a cross of two wild beauties?




Comments (102)

  • 8 years ago

    Frank,

    Cant wait to see your either :-)))))

  • 8 years ago

    Great! I'm looking forward to comparing beautiful flowers again :-)

    Frank, your plant is going to rebloom in Berlin soon!

    Anja

  • 8 years ago

    Hello Frank, what a joy to see your message, let's see what we will get this year ... I'm not the fastest it's for sure but I did not say my last word ;-)

    Those ones are new bloomers for me too , if I didn't mixed the labels :-)

  • 8 years ago

    Anja,

    nice to hear that the plant likes your growing conditions.

    Enjoy the flowers!


    Frank

  • 8 years ago

    Just read through this thread - last year’s flowers looked amazing ! Can’t wait for this year’s -they can only get better!

  • 8 years ago

    Soon ...

  • 8 years ago

    OMG!!! I can't wait to see it!!!!!

  • 8 years ago

    Exciting... :-)

  • 8 years ago

    Those buds look like the bills of some exotic jungle bird

  • 8 years ago

    waiting...

  • 8 years ago

    Finally I can present the flowers of the third seedling of yungacense x papilio:


    The variation among the seedlings is limited, not surprising for a primary species hybrid. The flower of the third seedling looks a little less triangular than seedling 1. The bright midstripes on the upper petals are shorter, the stripes on the lower petals longer than in seedling 1. The flower size is equal. Overall flower color is a little darker in seedling 1.

    I have a good chance to compare the flowers because the first of two scapes on seedling 1 is blooming right now too.

    As usual I had to turn the plants while the scapes where growing because they always heavily bend in the direction of the light source. Yesterday when I returned from work I found the scape of seedling 3 dangerously bent over. I had to tie it to a stick. The reason for this weak scape is our very bad light situation. We had again a very dark winter here in Germany, probably less than an hour of sun per day in average.


  • 8 years ago

    Oh Frank,

    They are outstanding :-)))) Thank you for brightening my day with these beautiful blooms. I have the same problem with bending scapes at work and I'm constantly turning their pots so they'll straighten up.

  • 8 years ago

    so very beautiful! Thanks for sharing!

  • 8 years ago

    Frank, it is gorgeous too, congratulations! It looks a little more orange than the first seedling. I'm looking forward to seeing the comparing pictures! Seedling #2 will need some more weeks to flower I think. It is not so dark here at the moment but quite cold... And I also have to turn the pot twice a week.

  • 8 years ago

    I am turning pots too , a real job , everyday for not breaking anything :-) this winter is so sad with no sun, no light. Never had this before.

    Frank I love your pictures , as beautifull as the flower !

    My new sedling will open soon , and I am looking forward for anja's too .

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    This one might be different than the others , the bud isn't a Parrot !

  • 8 years ago

    The bud, the outside of the floret about to open that is, looks like "Exotic Star", it appears spotted, which is particularly conspicous in the bud on the left side. I also GUESS that the floral segments will be broader than in either sibling shown above. You might be a winner on this Occasion - I knock on wood!

  • 8 years ago

    ah ah ! you are more insightful than me !

    thank you Hans , and if the result is disappointing, there are still two little brothers who come to enlighten a little this terrible winter :-))

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    Hans , sympatic but not a winner , next time :-)

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  • 8 years ago

    I actually like it a lot, Béatrice! More papilio this time!

  • 8 years ago

    This one might be my favorite of this batch!! Four flowers next time and it will deserve a name!!!!

    Like Anja says, more papilio, nice color and nice throat with striping down into

    those bottom leaves!!!!

  • 8 years ago

    I agree, this may be the best of the siblings up to now.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you !

    some flowers are more photogenic than other ones, and this one is really photogenic !! best in picture than in reallity ;-)

  • 8 years ago

    I don't have enough hippies yet to think any of these are sub par - they all look beautiful!

  • 8 years ago

    In picture, she is striking. I immediately said "Wow!"

  • 8 years ago

    This is one of Franks seedlings - I guess #2 - that moved to my house last year. Flowers opened at very low temperatures (10-13°C). Unfortunately this picture doesn't show how much the flower is glistening in sunlight. I love it very much, thank you again, Frank!

    Anja

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    It is beautiful Anja, so glad it found its forever home with you!!!!

  • 8 years ago

    Gorgeous! The color and shape are really pleasing!

  • 8 years ago

    Anja,

    That is so beautiful and I totally agree with Donna :-))) Very lucky you and I can only imagine what she looks like in person...enjoy her beauty :-))))))

  • 8 years ago

    !!!! A beauty !!!! thank you for taking care of him

  • 8 years ago

    Anja, I am glad to see it blooming for you! Seems as if the colors are a bit darker under cool conditions.

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you! Yes, the red is really dark in some parts but it is hard to tell from your pictures whether it was less dark in summer or not. The stigma seems to be more red on your picture?

    Béatrice and Frank, did you try to pollinate the flowers? I put H. aulicum pollen on one and I'm thinking of a cybister for the second flower. I have pollen of Merengue, Rosario and Machala. What do you think?

  • 8 years ago

    Anja , I didn'tpollinate , I don't have anything that seems interesting to put on , I'd like more flower per stem with keeping the shape of the fower...not easy and I will have so many babies to grow...

  • 8 years ago

    And this is my Number 3 , the last for this season as the third bud withers.

    but it seems that with all this pictures , we have now a correct idea of what this cross would produce

  • 8 years ago

    I do love this one!!!

  • 8 years ago

    Beautiful!!!

    Yes, Béatrice, I understand why you did not pollinate it. I just had to give aulicum a try although it would not improve the flower count. And I thought a cybister would make the blooms even more curvy and I could hope for more than two flowers... I'm just still not sure which would best...

  • 8 years ago

    Another gorgeous stunner...thank you for sharing :-))) This will help to brighten or day since we are preparing for another winter storm :-(((((

  • 8 years ago

    this winter does not end!


    how are you the 3 of Massachusset?


    I think I have too many seeds for this year, and this band of yungacense X papilio will spend another year in his pot ... we'll see next year, I should have fewer new flowers to manage !

    you know Fred, I think yungacense X papilio is not going to bloom this year , I don't know why...but conditions were very bad this winter with frost and humidity , not good for hippies

  • 7 years ago

    I thought I post the photo in this thread since it is the same bulb I got from Frank two years ago. I never expected to get three flowers from that cross but here they are:


    There is also a second scape...

    I'm so happy with that bulb. It looks much better in person, it is really impressive.

  • 7 years ago

    Three flowers!! Anja you do seem to have the magic touch, it's beautiful!!

  • 7 years ago

    Anja,


    She is absolutely GORGEOUS!!!! I love the sultry dark red and bright green throat combination :-))) You must be very happy!!! I know I would be :-))))

  • 7 years ago

    Hi Beatrice,


    It finally looks like Spring will arrive but we have to contend with some cool weather for a few more weeks. Little by little the snow piles are starting to melt and we can see the soil in our gardens :-))) I hope you beautiful yungacense x papilio are ok and recover soon because they are a sight to behold and it gives me much hope for the seeds you graciously provided :-)))

  • 7 years ago

    Herzlichen Glückwunsch, Anja!

    Nice to see that the plant feels comfortable with you.

    If you got 3 flowers per scape it should be possible to get 4 too.

    Mine keeps producing 2 flowers per scape.


    Frank

  • 7 years ago

    Bravo Anja !! mine is blooming now too , with 3 scapes, but only 2 flowers on each one .

  • 7 years ago

    I have two very different looking seedpods on the second scape. The big one is x Rosario, the small x H.aulicum. I have know idea why one should be so much bigger than the other. What do you say?

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    It is imho fair to say that the number of ovules was approximately the same in each floret and in the ovary thereof, respectively. However, The [fraction of] ovule[s] developing into a seed is a multicausal event. We can merely speculate: Had the smaller seed pod developed after a "too soon" or "too late" pollination, and had the pollen of H.aulicum less quality? And HOW did the pollen of H.aulicum have less quality?

  • 7 years ago

    Thank you Hans! It's interesting because I thought that the size of the seeds would be different but I think you're right and it is just the number of seeds that makes the difference. The pollen of Rosario was very fresh, it was blooming next to it. The pollen of H. aulicum was stored in the refrigerator for some month since it flowered in autumn. I still hope that I'll get some viable seeds...

  • 7 years ago

    Do you think this is papilio* yung?


  • 7 years ago

    It could be, but It looks a little like Napoli too.

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