Software
Houzz Logo Print
gardenerlorisc_ia

need help with laminate floor install

9 years ago
last modified: 9 years ago

Back in 2014 I had a dishwasher leak which destroyed all the subfloor in the kitchen, dining room, bath and laundry areas. I tore out all the flooring, had someone come in and replace sub floor and a flooring store do the install of the high quality laminate in the dining room and kitchen. I love the easy care and hard wearing enough that I am finishing the living room, hall and office with the same flooring. The flooring store knew I was planning to do the rest of the flooring when the funds came available.

Now 2 .5 years later I am doing the remainder. The tongue of the last ones put in in the 8 foot wide doorway between the dining room and living room is what is facing out with it being half way into the doorway. My live-in handyman ( haha) says he has to put in a T molding there rather than join the tongue and groove and also has started at the far end ( east) of the living room rather than start in that doorway and cut where he needs to when he gets to the edge of that doorway. So, that means I will have a narrow cut piece in the middle as well as the far edge ( width-wise) rather that just one narrow cut laminate board at the south wall. I hope I wrote that so you can understand it.

He was a drywall installer for most of his life and he thinks he knows all about construction but I am enough of a DIY'er that I can tell bad workmanship from good and have had him do things over that he did wrong. Plus, he is careless rather than careful in his work. Example: leaving boards and carpet tack-strip nails up on the floors when we walk there and the pets do, too. Luckily, nobody stepped on anything before I came along and picked them up. He is an accident waiting to happen.

I am 68 and he is 70 and he is here rent free to do odd jobs; unfortunately it is not working out to my satisfaction. I could do it myself; I do have all the tools myself.

In your opinions is the way he wants to do it the correct way or is the home owner ( me) correct? Am I being too b*tchy about wanting my house done my way? You won't hurt my feelings if you tell me I am wrong. Thanks in advance for your opinions.

Edited to add: The width of the dining room and living room total 31 feet and the living room itself is 25 x 15. Is that wide enough that I need an expansion joint ( with that T molding) between the dining and living rooms.

Comments (9)

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Ok...now the elephant in the room would like a word: Can you source the SAME floor? I mean the IDENTICAL floor? This is first and foremost your #1 priority. Everything after that is a moot point.

    Most 'man made' products (such as laminate and engineered hardwood) have a "shelf life" of 18 - 24 months. Your project was completed about 2.5 years ago. There is a greater chance that you will NOT find the original product vs. finding it.

    So....therein lies the rub. If you can source the original product, you can add it to the original floor at the junction where it stops. You may have to pull that last row if it is "cut" (you always need an intact tongue/groove to continue).

    The HDF core is what limits the "run" of a product - as well as the type of tongue and groove. The 31 linear feet is getting very close to "maximum" run. And the 31 linear feet would need to be the LONG EDGE of the plank...not the short edge.

    Go ahead and google your floor (you will need to have the box in front of you to find the maker and the "line" of your product). Punch in the "line" and then add "installation instructions" to the search engine and see what you get.

    Many HDF cores have a 30 - 35 ft maximum run....on the LONG edge. And the short edge can have a maximum run of 25 ft. These are "common" numbers we see with HDF core floors.

    And just so we are clear - laminate is inappropriate for a kitchen. It has a life expectancy of 3-7 years. The 'high end' laminates can reach 7 years....but then they can die a tragic death at the hands of the dishwasher.

    Good luck. First things first: find out if you can SOURCE your original floor. Without that identical floor, your question is only hypothetical.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks for the reply. I have the same exact flooring already bought and in the house ready to go.

    I am not afraid of using it in the kitchen; it has stood up to old dog diarrhea that sat overnight for who knows how long, stuff dropped on it and I have water sensors under every water related appliance and they will detect a very tiny leak and wake me up with an ear shattering siren. Plus if I spill something I am quick to blot it up.

    I guess my main question is if it should be started with a full width piece almost butted up to the end of the old floor and a T molding put over the break? He claims you have to fit the tongue into the groove rather than groove over tongue. He has started at the far end rather than at the doorway and is just planning on putting a thin piece in to meet up with the original floor. I think that will look bad.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Doing a "reverse install" (groove into the tongue instead of tongue into the groove) is tricky, time consuming, leads to more waste and is SUPER frustrating...which leads to explosive behavior and more damage (boards being thrown across the room when the spine breaks, etc). The reverse install is possible for small things like closets, entrance ways and hallways. A continuation of the project that includes a total of 375sf would challenge even the most seasoned of laminate floor installers.

    If you have a "handy man" that isn't so "handy" then be prepared to have 15% - 25% waste. Go ahead and count your square footage on hand. With 25% waste (worst case scenario), you will need (roughly) 465sf ON HAND ready to be installed. If you only have the 5% waste that most people work with, you may be pushing the not-so-handy man well past his comfort zone. As in "Get out of my HOUSE you BUM" type of event.

    A T-molding will allow the not-so-handy man put your floor in with little waste without pushing past the limits of his/your patience and the limits of the square footage you have on hand.

    You already know the man is falls into the "unsatisfactory" category. You are well aware of this. If you choose to "make" him install it in reverse, you choose all the possibilities this entails.

    I wish you luck. If this were my floor, I would bring in a professional and pay him/her the $1.50 - $2.50/sf to lay the laminate in reverse.

  • 9 years ago

    Floating click-lock flooring can be rather easily installed in either direction. It would have to be. Imagine coming around a partition and having to fill in areas that don't go in the direction of the tongue.

    As to the need for a trim piece for expansion, I'm not an expert. Look to the manufacturer's recommendations for an answer.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the majority of floating floors spec in the instructions that you need a t-molding in each doorway under 6' and also in any length over 30-40'.

  • 9 years ago

    I ended up not liking how it was going so told him to stop and I will get a professional in to lay it the correct way. I am going to tear up all the carpet, padding and tack strips myself to keep it more affordable.

    Thank you all for your advice.

  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Did you consult the instructions regarding t-moldings?

  • 9 years ago

    I already knew it needs t-moldings at doorways but was not aware of lengthwise as well. The living room is 25 foot long and the 20 foot hallway goes off the long side of the living room. If the instructions and the pros who laid the kitchen and dining room say it needs one, there will be one. Thank you!