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Help me choose a clematis (or two or three!) for bright shade!

Our new home is on a narrow lot and is situated especially close to our neighbors to the north. They are lovely people, but we would like some privacy when we are sitting on our swing! Unfortunately, we have no more than 6' of side yard on that side of the house, 3' of which is taken up by a sidewalk, so a privacy hedge is really out of the question. Right now there is a forsythia growing beside the porch, but it is totally inappropriate for the space - despite the former owners pruning it within an inch of its life, it has bushed out and is encroaching on the already-narrow walk.

Anyway, we've decided that we would like to replace the forsythia with a trellis that will span most of the area, and grow a clematis or two on it. This is the north side of the house, so it receives very little direct sun, but it's not really deep shade either. Here's a picture of the area:

I took measurements this morning and the distance from the ground to the ceiling of the porch is 11' - we don't need the trellis to come up all the way to the ceiling, but I think we'll want it to be a solid 9-10' tall. The porch is 7' deep from post to post, so we'd be looking at 6-7' in width as well. I assume this would give me space for at least 2 clematis, maybe 3 if they are smaller varieties? I think I'd prefer Group 1 or 2 pruning types, to keep the trellis somewhat covered year-round.

So, what are your favorite Group 1 or 2 varieties or combinations for shade? I prefer purples and pinks, and the deeper, more saturated colors to pastels, but a lot of the commonly recommended types for shade seem to be white/pastel, especially in Groups 1 and 2. Hit me with your best, and thanks in advance!

Comments (12)

  • 9 years ago

    I'm just now exploring the search feature on Clematis on the Web, and finding many more interesting and colorful choices! I'm in love with Niobe...

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks Nhbabs. I hadn't thought too much about size, but I guess I should if I want good coverage on a 10' trellis.

  • 9 years ago

    Personally, I put up wooden lattice for privacy and then a wire trellis or two in front for Clematis to add some color. They don't necessarily make good privacy screens because of pruning requirements and they take years to get to mature size. If you don't prune, you end up with a tangle of old dead stems and few blooms....Clematis on the Web does have a search for shade growers, I think....Nelly Moser is one for sure.

    biondanonima (Zone 7a Hudson Valley) thanked buyorsell888
  • 9 years ago

    PS Niobe not vigorous for me either

  • 9 years ago

    Good to know about Niobe...sigh. There are others in that deep red color that Clematis on the Webs lists as being good for shade, so I'll keep looking. Great idea about the wood trellis plus wire, too. DH was concerned about removing the forsythia and then having to wait a couple of seasons for the clematis to fill in, so that should be a good solution.

  • 9 years ago

    I have Niobe in several locations and they are very vigorous.

    The color can't be beat if you are looking for a good burgundy.

    biondanonima (Zone 7a Hudson Valley) thanked cearbhaill (zone 6b Eastern Kentucky)
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    For privacy I think that the lattice suggestion is better than just a vine. Though Betty Corning covers the end of my deck which is ten feet wide it takes awhile to get to that growth and dies back at the end of fall. I like BC as it also has almost continuous bloom starting midsummer. Some people detect a faint aroma on their plants though I do not on mine.

    July 2016 BC in part shade--looks more impressive in real life.

    Two or three other less vigorous clematis also could like nice.

    These grow on one section of the 25' length of my deck.

    Hagley grows well on my north facing wall which is bright shade.

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have never ordered from this site before, but they are a family owned business and sell wholesale as well as retail. They have over a page of clematis that do well in shade.

    https://donahuesclematis.com/product-category/shade-varieties/

    oops... looking at them now, many are only 4 feet for growth height.

    Rebecca

    biondanonima (Zone 7a Hudson Valley) thanked User
  • 9 years ago

    mnwsgal, thank you so much for posting those lovely pictures! It looks like your area is very similar to ours in terms of exposure and size, so hopefully we'll be able to achieve something just as nice!

  • 9 years ago

    If you like purples, just go look at the viticellas. They're tough, and many of them get quite large.


    As for Donahue's, they're fine so long as you realize that you're not going to get huge plants from them. I don't hesitate to order from them -- they are an economical alternative to the fancier places, and they have been trustworthy for me and have a wide selection -- but the plants are in 4" pots, not gallons. Not any smaller than, for instance, Bluestone's clems, though.

  • 9 years ago

    Donahue's is very reputable and yes, they sell wholesale to many who pot them on and sell as bigger plants. I pot up any that I buy that are so small myself before planting out. Ditto Bluestone.


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