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Arching Jude

9 years ago

Jude with Awakening behind it. Finally bloomed, not the last to bloom but not the early crew either.

It is in raised bed. It is starting to arch toward the light and block sunlight and the view of Distant Drums in in the raised bed front of it. Should I try to stake it more upright or just trim the trailing growth in front? I have read that Jude does not like to be pruned but I believe Austin said it could be summer pruned.

 front view


 side view with koko logo

Comments (16)

  • 9 years ago

    Beautiful flowers totoro, mine grew like that also. I have no advice as mine was not cane hardy here. So not much I could do about the growth habit.

    totoro z7b Md thanked Patty W. zone 5a Illinois
  • 9 years ago

    So lovely! I wish she grew for me. I've tried her 3x and she just wont grow for me. :(

    totoro z7b Md thanked SoFL Rose z10
  • 9 years ago

    What I do for floppers like this is put a green wire fence loop around the canes to hold them upright and then in can flop over the top of that "cage" without crowding the roses in front of it. In this case, I'd go to Home Depot or Lowes and buy a roll of 5' green wire fencing, cut it into a circle big enough to comfortably go around the canes, and then hook the ends of the fencing to each other on the far side and use earth staples to keep it in the ground.
    Works for me with a minimum of effort. I also use this for climbers that I'm too lazy to put up a structure to officially climb on.
    Cynthia

    totoro z7b Md thanked nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
  • 9 years ago

    OK so I staked a main branch and pegged another. Now Distant Drums can get some air flow and light. Let's see how long this holds up.




  • 9 years ago

    Thanks everyone for advice. I am trying to grow Jude as a bush but mine seems to be a flopper.

    Well that flimsy stick I used to stake Jude did not stay up after a short rain. I think I will try Cynthia's idea about about a wire fence. Also I will prune back more when I dead head. Maybe that will give it time and impetus to generate thicker canes.

  • 9 years ago

    This is very interesting to me as I find my Jude too stiff. Mine is a two year old plant but it is very stiff. It send tall upright thick stems and bloom at the top. Originally I was trying to grow it as a climber but it canes wouldn't budge. I guess because I live in a colder zone, I had to prune the bush more than others who live in a warmer zone. The exception would be this year for me as most of the canes has survived the mild winter. I don't really mind floppy austins at the back of my garden. I do love the sprawling cascading look that Nanadoll/Diane has in her garden. Just stunning!

    totoro z7b Md thanked jjpeace (zone 5b Canada)
  • 9 years ago

    My Jude is in its 13th year, but survived our horrendous winter this year with a lot of damage. The Brother Cadfael next to Jude had no damage at all. What a difference in cold resistance. Diane Thanks, jjpeace, so much. Jude's not looking so hot right now.

    totoro z7b Md thanked nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
  • 9 years ago

    My Jude is doing the arching thing and I think its charming. I like the natural flowy look to it. Yours is really pretty.

    totoro z7b Md thanked sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida-9a-ish)
  • 9 years ago

    Big tomato cage works.

    totoro z7b Md thanked hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
  • 9 years ago

    Jude looks charming

    totoro z7b Md thanked modestgoddess z6 OH
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Jjpeace, the first 2 years my Jude was upright too, only blooming at top of 3 ft high canes. This 3rd year is the first time such long canes grew started to arch forward. This is the most blooms I have seen and they were along these new long growth. So maybe when yours is larger the canes will arch.

    Lady of Shalott grew long arching stems for me in its first year (own root bare root from DA)

    Jude started to grow new laterals in the back which may help to balance it out.

  • 9 years ago

    Thanks totoro, it is good to know. I will see what mine does this year since it will be in its third year and most of the canes has survived the winter.

    totoro z7b Md thanked jjpeace (zone 5b Canada)
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I did some pruning when I cut Jude's flowers before the storm so it is arching a little higher now and no longer cramping Distant Drums (which is the last to bloom in my garden).

    Hope this also allows the new shoots to get some more light.

  • 9 years ago


    In my garden, Jude does not seem to get enough light - has weak shoots that want to dip and plunge over. Still it bloomed fairly well in May. It is recovering right now and I hope the fertilizer causes more blooms in the second blooming. My observation with Jude is the extremely fast petal drop. The ground is covered after one day it seems. Sometimes I can hardly get one off the bush before it drops petals.

    totoro z7b Md thanked Denise Hall
  • 9 years ago

    Yes, I wish it held its petals better. That Is the biggest drawback of Jude. But everyone who sniffs all my fragrant roses thinks this smells the best. Peach mixed with lychees. I wish I could find more roses that smell of lychees. pink enchantment smelled of peach to me.