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Thrips? Heat? Something else?

I'm thinking this is from regular flower thrips, not chili thrips. It seems to be different from heat damage, but it could be that too. It might also be a combination of thrips and heat. Or something else?

Here are some photos. Some of my flower buds have this brown/black in the tips of the petals as they open, but not all of them.

Memorial Day

Yves Piaget seems the most affected

Pretty Lady Rose

But then other rose blooms right near these are totally flawless... weird?

It almost looks like someone sprayed those ones with water then the heat steamed it and crisped... but that is the same look that little sucking thrips would basically do to roses too right?

These ones right near those are all unaffected. So weird.

Dames de Chenonceau

Stainless Steel

Love Song

Amazing Grace

What do you think? Regular flower thrips?

Comments (10)

  • 9 years ago

    Oh wait!!! I actually did one overhead watering recently... maybe a week ago? Maybe more? To try out feeding them with silicon (Protekt). Maybe I did the damage!

    Wait no... I didn't do any overhead watering for Pretty Lady Rose so that can't be the only thing going on here. It's probably a combo of me overheard watering that once, the heat and flower thrips. What do you think?

    And if that's the case... when should I overhead water if I want to continue feeding with silicon (Protekt) every few weeks or so? At night?

    Thank you!

  • 9 years ago

    Been going through that here...Too much rain and I found thrips inside blooms...Shake the blooms over a white piece of paper the thrips will fall out and scamper if you have any... Those things are small...

    I wouldn't think that only watering overhead every few weeks would cause that....Wouldn't think so anyhow... Unless the water laying on the blooms caused frying from your intense sun...???

    Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy thanked jim1961 Central Pennsylvania Zone 6a
  • 9 years ago

    "Unless the water laying on the blooms caused frying from your intense sun...???"

    That's what I was thinking Jim. They're not really fried... they look kind of steamed. But the ones in the front yard, like Pretty Lady Rose, don't have that same look. Just little brown edges. That looks like regular flower thrips.

    On the others, I think it has gotta be a combo of regular flower thrips, the overhead watering and sun... I think. That's probably why it looks different than what I'm used to seeing.

    Oh well. Nothing to do about that I guess, except figure out a different way or different time to do the overhead watering with the silicon (Protekt).


  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Some of the sprays cannot be used once temperatures hit around 90 degrees, Cori-Ann. I do not have a lot of experience with spraying, as the only thing I have sprayed, with no real regularity is an insecticidal soap, and I sometimes use neem during the Winter. Use during certain temperatures for at least one of the products was cautioned and I think that holds true for other products too....just thinking about info. I have encountered regarding sprays over the year. The result will be fried petals/blooms

    Also, Love Song looks like thrip damage... which culprit.. I haven't a clue. I get thrip damage when it becomes Summer hot (now), but I do not know which one. There is a post regarding identifying Western, vs. Chili... etc. I will see if I can find it or maybe someone with a lot of thrip experience/knowledge will chime in.

    Cori Ann - H0uzz violated my privacy thanked Lynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
  • 9 years ago

    Desertgarden that makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about that, since Protekt is a "liquid fertilizer" instead of a typical spray, but I did do overhead watering for foliar application... which basically makes it into a spray. The spec sheet didn't say not to apply when it is above 90, but even just plain water when it is hot makes the flowers steam up. I should have thought of that!

    Maybe from now on when it is hot if I want to keep feeding with Protekt I will make sure to just get the soil.

    If anyone is interested in silicon, It seems like some research shows promise that silicon like Protekt makes the cell walls thicker, making the plants stronger against heat, sucking insects, etc. Here's the main spec sheet: https://dyna-gro.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Pro-TeKt-Sheet.pdf 

  • 9 years ago

    The research may show promise, but they had better tell users not to apply their product in temps over 85F, I would think. Even under 90F seems too high for me. Fertilizer can certainly burn. I occasionally use Miracle Grow hose end sprayer stuff, and I wait until the cool of the evening on a cooler day to apply it, and have never had a problem. Diane

  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks Diane. Yes... application instructions instructing people not to apply over 85 would be helpful. I know better and I wish I would have thought of that. It's such a low number 0-0-3... that it didn't even dawn on me. But the silicon is about 8% I believe... and of course I didn't even think about that either. I will only apply in the evening from now on.

    Oh well... only one application for the roses so far and not that much damage. Luckily I have all of you to be my brain when mine doesn't put things together. ;-)

  • 9 years ago

    Yup! Looks like I caused the look of Yves Piaget. There are definitely some regular flower thrips here too... but that steamed, rotted look of Yves Piaget and a few others looks like it was caused from me with the overhead watering to feed them silicon. Looking much better now!

    I will definitely make sure to only do that in the evening from now on. Thanks everyone!

  • 9 years ago

    Great, Cori Ann! Now if thrips were only easy to get rid of. Diane