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Winter Storage Preparations For Those In Cold Climates.



Hello Everyone! I was asked ( by a friend ) to share how I prepare my trees for their winter storage. Living on the East Coast of Virginia, I will experience temperatures that will drop below freezing for months. Sometimes we see deep freezes as well as snow and ice storms. This preparation is for colder climates that have or can see freezing temperatures and that cannot just simply cover our trees with frost cloth. My trees need more protection and cannot possibly survive being outdoors and protected with tarps/ lights etc. they have to be brought inside for the winter dormant period.


I will watch the nighttime forecast and once I see the temperatures start to reach around 45 degrees for a nighttime low, they will be brought inside for the winter. They will stay inside until mid April and then again, only until the nighttime temps reach above 48-50 degrees.


Victor has experimented with several methods since he lives in Southern California and some of you need to follow what is best for your growing conditions. I am not advocating for you all to cut your leaves like I do to prepare your trees. This method is because I have so many trees to bring inside that I have to do this for space reasons as well as to keep the insects at bay. I will leave some new growth at the top of each tree as well. The majority of the mature leaves will be cut. If I could, I would let the leaves drop off naturally because this is what is best for the trees. Sometimes we have to help Mother Nature prepare and that is what I do to ensure that I don't have any trees that will have issues over this long period inside my house.


The middle of September is when I will stop giving my trees any additional fertilizers. I don't want to encourage any new growth and I want them to start settling down for the season. Once the temperatures start to cool off ( it will be the nighttime temps) you will see the bottom leaves yellowing and shedding from the trees. This is a sign that fall is right around the corner and I start to think of my annual "March Of The Plumeria" for my trees.


At the beginning of October give or take a week or so, I will start the process of cutting leaves from my trees. I will cut the leaves and leave about two inches on the leaf stem where it attaches to the main tree. These stems will naturally fall off in about ten days. I do not advise taking the leaves and ripping them off. This could harm your trees and cause rot to set in at the leaf node. Use cutting shears or sissors and please wear gloves due to the huge amount of latex that you will see. I will add some Bayer systemic on top of my soil containers . Once the stems fall off I will wait a few days before I spray them with Bayer 3 in 1 Insect spray. I will also slow down on the watering process to allow them to be ready for the move inside ( usually around the end of October) I want my containers to be on the dry side but if it rains or they are slightly moist, I don 't worry. I'll wait a few more days to let them dry out. I will spray a second time with the Bayer to catch any insects that might have laid eggs.


Some of you will not have to go to this extreme of forcing your trees into dormancy. Some of you can bring in your trees and allow them to go dormant on their own time. People that live in colder climates have to bring in their trees and some can allow the leaves to drop naturally. But I don't have a choice when I have so many trees to bring inside. I have read about many losing trees last winter because of heavy wet containers that are placed in garages and are seeing temperatures that are to cold for our trees. Just remember that cold and wet roots are not good for these trees and letting them dry out a little will benefit the ones that are inside. If you intend to keep them growing and are using lights.. I still water them using the wet dry method. My seedlings and first year rooted cuttings will stay under my T-5 lights all winter ( 12-14 hours) on a timer and on seedling heat mats.


If you have to place your trees In A garage you can place them on a wooden pallet or something equivalent to raise them off of the floor. If the ground freezes then you can keep the rootball from those temps and allow the air to circulate under your containers. Keeping them on the bare floor is allowing them to be as cold as the cold elements. You can always buy a small electric heater and use a thermostat to come on when it drops to 40 to keep the room warm enough. You can find these at Lowes.


The other trees that I prepare will be placed in an area upstairs in my house and some will go inside my greenhouse. A few will stay downstairs because they are to large to move elsewhere. ( see picture) I will keep the temperature set ( the ones in the greenhouse) on a timer to allow them only to stay quiet during the winter and not encourage growth. ( my heating bill will be sky high) if I let the heater try and let them stay active plus my hubby will have his eyes rolling again.. lol!


Some say to not water at all during the winter. Again, everyone has their own methods and you all use what works for you. I will admit that I will water my trees every couple of months while they are quiet. When I say water, I mean I give them a taste of water. Maybe a cup to each tree every two months. Once spring arrives they are already pushing leaves when inside my house. They all are used to my routine and they all come through without any problems. If I do have a loss, it's usualły the newly rooted cutting. I don't have any losses on my large trees and they sail through winter every year for me.


I hope this will help some who don't have the luxury of leaving your trees outside year round. You all my think we who live in colder climates are crazy for doing this every year, and you might be right. . But when I see the blooms in my yard it is always worth the extra work each year. I do love my trees.. ❤️


Laura

Comments (23)

  • 9 years ago

    Thank you, Andre!

    I just wanted to post since I shared it in another forum and others that live in colder climates verses living in California, Texas and Florida really enjoyed reading my process. If it helps one person, I'm happy!!


    Laura

  • 9 years ago

    Hi Laura how do you keep your trees from getting real big? I have 3or4 trees that I may have to let go this year there getting to big for me to move to the greenhouse

    roger

    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked katiedolittle
  • 9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Laura, great advice for winter protection and preparing for dormancy. The pictures really tell the story, as well. Thank you!

    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked tunatony
  • PRO
    9 years ago

    Only one bag of leaves? Great Post with a wealth of information. I highly recommend bookmarking.

    My wintertime experience is similar but shorter (Dec to Feb). I have depending on how soon our first frost is expected been able to let the trees naturally defoliate and other times helped move them along. I generally use Neem oil as my insecticide and fungal prevention treatment prior to moving the plants into the greenhouse. It is critical to not place plants on cold concrete. Even placing the plant on something like folded up cardboard will work for a short period of time.

    I am also a subscriber to the very light watering over winter method. Not all of my plants go fully dormant and I try to keep soil moisture levels low but stable. I wish I could describe an amount but its much more subjective and is based upon the cultivar, weather conditions, if the plant still has leaves, soil conditions, and general appearance.

    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked the_first_kms2
  • 8 years ago

    Hi Roger!!

    Once my trees get to a certain height, I'll stagger prune them and start new cuttings or give them away or keep a few to start over again. I did cut up a few large trees this summer ( Lemon Drop and California Sunset) because they were simply to large. I did make a huge cutting that will be an instant tree and it will have beautiful branching balance. So I really like the idea of being able to cut and start over since I can't plant my trees In The ground. This gives me the chance to do away with some of the tall lanky trees and cut to start rooting where they branch. Some of my other large trees will be positioned sideways in the greenhouse for winter storage, but lifted up so they don't touch the ground. As far as containers.. I won't go any larger than a 15 gallon and I will root prune them to allow them to stay in 5, 10 or 15 gallon. My Kapalua is in the largest container and it's a bear to bring it inside my house every year. I'll continue to trim as it gets large and I'm sure one day it will have to be sent somewhere warm to live in peace in the warm southern part of Florida. Time will tell, but I have several cuttings from this one as wellas a few that are grafted. It's truly my baby.. ;-)

    Hi Tony!!

    Thank you so much for your kind comments. I just wanted to share what I do annually and I hope it might help others that might share in the same climate and or winter protection. Again, Thank you!! I do see some post about leaves Turing yellow around this time of the year and I wanted to remind some of the new growers that it's normal for the trees to shed their leaves when they get ready for the dormant period.

    Hi K...

    Thank you as well for your kind comments! I certainly do appreciate your input as to what your do each season to prepare your trees as well.

    We both agree about giving them a little water, but I also know others feel strongly against this. We all know our trees and I have to remind some growers that they are still living trees and they do still need a little moisture to remain healthy.

    i had to laugh at your observant observation!! Lololol.. I had a few more trash cans filled with leaves and I believe I counted 6 huge bags last year. I might be trimming a little earlier than normal if this hurricane decides to travel up the coast to my area. Keeping a close eye on this MONSTER IRMA !! It really scares me and I worry about my friends down in Florida and others in it's path.

    Thanks again for all of your kind comments!!

    You all take good care and stay safe!!

    Laura



  • 8 years ago

    Laura and Everyone,

    I myself and I know a few local NorCal appreciate the great info on here. Learned and also benefited so much from finding this board. Gives me so much confidence to grow plumeria now. This will be my first winter with new small cuttings and seedlings so any great info like your posts here is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked Andre Plumeria Newbie (NorCal - Bay Area/9B)
  • 8 years ago

    HI Laura I wish somebody that could put these trees in the ground had these trees ones is close to 13 feet tall with around 50 tips the other 3 are a little smaller over 8 feet they are just getting to big for me to move

    roger


    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked katiedolittle
  • PRO
    8 years ago

    I am watching the storm with concern as well. Hopefully it will make a harder right turn than predicted and stay off shore.

    We are in need of compost and mulch so I am just shredding the leaves with a mower and using it to enrich the grading soil mix used by the home builder and pool builder. it's ok stuff but I think its lacking organic content.


    Roger,

    I hope the word filters out. Unfortunately many of the people interested were pretty badly hit by Harvey so they are just not even thinking about a nice specimen Plumeria for the yard right now.


  • 8 years ago

    Thanks Laura for this info I will save it. I haven't been on gardenweb lately as I broke my left wrist recently and this will be a challenge to treat my plants and get them indoors. I might hire someone to help me with that.

  • 8 years ago

    Oh Kandhi.. I'm so sorry to hear of this.. please be careful. I'm sure you can find some strong young men in your area to help. Please don't do this yourself.. nice to see you.. I haven't been here either, trying to get back to this nice group of friends.. people are awesome here on this forum!! ;-)

    Mahalo, Andre. I hope this will help some that have the same conditions that I experience.. again, thank you for the kind words..

    Roger.. what area are you in? Would you like me to ask around for you? Just let me know and tell me what you would like to sell or give to a good home. Variety etc. when I find out your city, I can go from there and get back to you!!

    Thank you!!


    Laura

  • 8 years ago


    HI Laura I live in San Angelo Tex. I would like to give them away just hate to let them die don't know there names there are from Thialand. Will send photos

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Thank you Roger.. I have someone interested in your trees !

    They are in containers, correct?

    Would you like to receive any smaller trees in return? Or are you ok with letting these go to a great home. A friend might think that you don't have others, so I will let you answer.. Someone wanted to give you a couple of smaller trees. This gentleman has a great collection!! ;-)

    please send me an email so I can get you in contact with him . Lmjusa@yahoo.com

    I also sent you a message ( Houzz) .

    Laura

  • 8 years ago

    I hope this help.. Here is the post!!

    Laura

  • 8 years ago

    I must say how much I admire you people who grow frangis in cold climates and what you go through to keep them alive during the winter months. Luckily for me I live in the tropics so need to go through any of that - all grow outside and some flower for the most part of the year.

    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked tropicalguy
  • 8 years ago

    + opps - no need

    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked tropicalguy
  • 8 years ago

    Hi Tropicalguy!!

    We certainly do try hard to keep our babies happy during the growing season as well as when we have to start the " March" for the winter rest period!

    i have always loved the tropics and that is why I wanted to create the feeling of living further South while being in my own backyard here in Virginia!!

    It's truly a labor of love to take care of our Plumeria and I'll always be thankful when I see the blooms that reward me for my efforts.. That, is what it is all about!

    You are certainly very lucky living in the tropics!!

    Have a great evening!!!

    Laura

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    It's not so bad for me. I am like a German Shepard Dog. I have to have a job to do or I might misbehave.

    To everyone's surprise yesterday morning was briefly under 40F. Until then it was just the routine yellow leaves falling but yesterday afternoon many plants are now dropping green leaves. Changes are coming. I can see the cold air aloft it in the high cirrus clouds we are now routinely seeing.

    I'm setting up the new greenhouse this weekend and bringing the skin back out on the other (I removed it just prior to Harvey due to wind concerns).




    Loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, Virginia thanked the_first_kms2
  • 8 years ago

    I am ready for this year winter now.

    Thanks to Laura for prep instructions.

    One plant is too tall this year, I need to lay it angle....

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Look at all that empty space! you need more plants.

  • 8 years ago

    Kawagoe I have similar problem with 1 tree, so I dug a hole in greenhouse floor for it - has side benefit of more insulation for roots.

  • 8 years ago

    Lololol, K!! Isn't that the truth???

    I still have a few weeks left to get my trees inside and settled for the season. We did have a low of 47 degrees the other night, but they were all fine. They will start drying and I'll give them the second spraying of the Bayer in another week.

    Sounds like you are busy with the greenhouses.. ;-)

    Thought of you the other day.. We have a new Coach store and as I drove past this new store, I thought of you and your wife!! Lolololol!!

    Looking Great Kawagoe!! Great job!! You do have plenty of room in that setup?? Mmmhmmmm, won't be long... ;-)

    Have a great evening!!

    Laura

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Too funny.

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