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Experimenting with 1-1-1 gritty

I'm new to citrus, only five months in. I read here every spare moment I can grab trying to get a grip. I am an organic raised bed veggie person. Never messed with anything in containers. So you can imagine all the mistakes I made. Luckily I discovered that my "magic homemade compost" was turning into a nightmare for the citrus trees I had acquired very quickly before any serious damage occurred. After finding this forum and much researching through many years of discussions I decided to go with the gritty mix. I didn't have any problems finding the ingredients and I sifted out everything under 1/8. I knew I was pushing my luck doing all this bare rooting and repotting in July but was more afraid of root rot. Right after our upper 90's heat wave we had a major cool down so I took the plunge. It was nerve racking to say the least. I couldn't sleep and was out in the yard every hour on the hour all night with a flashlight. After a few days went by and nothing fell over dead I started relaxing a little bit. Then little problems here and there started cropping up. There for a while I decided that I hate this gritty mix and I really regretted it. I just kept coming here and reading sometimes 12 hours a day or more. I finally came to the conclusion that I was way over watering and under fertilizing. I did not like the dowel method at all but kept at it. Now here it is October and I feel like I'm starting to get a grip on this thing. I am really starting to like the gritty mix (a lot). The one thing I don't like about it is when I stick the dowel all the way to the bottom for a few minutes and then pull it out, the bottom half of the pot has plenty of moisture but the top half is pretty much on it's way to being dry. I don't want my little roots near the top to dry out but I don't want to over water either.

On the 20th of September I received a 4-5 year old cara cara. It arrived in very good condition and appeared to be a very healthy tree. The next day I bare rooted it and put it in gritty mix but this time I changed it up a little bit. The bottom half of the pot I stuck with the original recipe. Then I only did about an inch at a time eliminating more and more of the pine bark as I went up substituting more grainy grit. By the time I got to the last two inches I did about half and half of the grit and (napa floor dry) slightly more grit. Now today I stuck my dowel in it and it was way more uniform in moisture. Also today I noticed the very beginnings of new growth on the tree.

You guys are the experts, do you see any problem with what I did? I could change it If it is going to start causing problems.


I like the look without the bark

A closer up of the top two inches.

There is the dowel after pulling it out. The moisture is a lot more even from top to bottom this way. I had read several times that it was nearly impossible to overwater in gritty but I now know better. I was watering every day afraid it was drying out because the mix felt so dry when I would grab a handful of it. Now using the dowel method I am only watering every four to five days. All my trees are doing so much better now. My anxiety level has went back down. I also read the medium should be consistent but I really wanted to experiment and hopefully rid myself of that doubt of rather to water or not when the bottom half is moist but the top half isn't so moist. Also while I'm at it I would like to thank all of you for such a wonderful, very well managed website. I have learned so much because of you and would have lost everything without you.

Comments (18)

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Congratulation. Your tree and soil look fine. Make sure your dog can't urinate on your tree because the dog urine will kill the tree.

    Angela Piedmont NC zone 7b thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 8 years ago

    Thanks Steve. Those are my 3 1/2 month old bluetick beagle baby girls. I watch them very close when I bring them around my trees. They could chew one up in a skinny minute if they got half a chance. Last week I noticed a strange plant growing in the gritty mix of my clementine. It looked like sweet potato so I went to look in a bucket where I was making some slips and they were all tore up and slung all over the place. I was surprised when I pulled the sweet potato out of the pot, it had taken serious root and they were already getting deep. Now I'm wondering if I could grow sweet taters in the gritty mix?

  • 8 years ago

    Don't grow sweet potatoes in gritty mix

    Angela Piedmont NC zone 7b thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 8 years ago

    Lol. I'm a curios person. I cant help but wonder what would happen.

  • 8 years ago

    The gritty mix will embed into the potatoes skin

    Angela Piedmont NC zone 7b thanked poncirusguy6b452xx
  • 8 years ago

    Steve you are way hilarious!!! lol I can't imagine biting a potato loaded with grit in it!! hahahah

    Angela, you can grow anything in it. The only one downside to it is that you must stay on top of watering until you get use to it. Seems you have it under control Good job! Just make sure to fertilize a lot!

    Angela Piedmont NC zone 7b thanked myermike_1micha
  • 8 years ago

    Thanks Mike, It has been a roller coaster ride for sure and I am glad now that I forced myself to stick with this gritty mix. Don't say anything to Steve but his last comment just made me even more curios than I already was. I'm going to start some more sweet potato slips and attempt to grow them in the gritty mix this winter in my grow room.

  • 8 years ago

    sweet potatoes need a lot of heat 85F+ to do well. The gritty mix will not move as the potato expands and will get embedded with grit. If you are growing the SP for greens then go ahead.

    Steve

  • 8 years ago

    I never messed with SP's until this year and they did very well. I did half of a 4'x10' bed and then did four slips in a 20 gallon tote. I've eaten them all summer out of the bed and yesterday pulled one out of the tote. I love 'em and it sure would be nice to do another 20 gallon tote this winter. I have a small tropical room set up and I think the heat from the lights will be adequate. The tote is deep and you are probably right about the weight of the gritty embedding into the potato. I've got a half whiskey barrel of good soil prepared for this already but when I seen how fast that slip rooted in the gritty it got me to thinking. I'm thinking along the lines of half perlite and half napa floor dry. It would be cleaner and wouldn't introduce bugs into my house. What do you think? Here's a pic of the first one I pulled out of the tote yesterday.


    It would be nice to pull one out without getting dirty. lol

  • 8 years ago

    Nice method, you have a lot of patience to make a gradient of changing soil like that. If this mix works well with your growing style and schedule, then it will do well! I personally don't water often and I'm happy to have the top dry out more than the bottom so a 60/40 peat/perlite works for me..unless I see signs of damage later! Any hints on how to recreate your "magic homemade compost" recipe? :)

    Angela Piedmont NC zone 7b thanked kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b)
  • 8 years ago

    Mike I can see why you thought I was kidding.

    Next years sweet potato beds

    I will have 6 of these straddling the rooftop ridge and 2 rows of 6 on the south side slope. They do very well with 3 plants each. Very early spring I will stat spinach and collards to be picked by SP time. I fill these with pure compost from my compost pile that is 30 feet long 6 feet deep and 9 feet wide.

    Steve

  • 8 years ago

    Poncirusguy How do you keep your plants from falling off the roof when it gets windy? How do you even get your plants up there?

  • 8 years ago

    That roof is only 4 feet above the surrounding ground. I use a step 2 feet off the ground and then walk up to the crest. The containers are empty then I add 5 gallons of dirt at a time.

    Steve

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Wow Steve! That's impressive. You must like SP's as much as I do. What do you do with so many? I just did enough to do a little "test run" this year but I'm already thinking about next spring and will be planting a whole lot more.

  • 8 years ago

    Mike, Steve ain't no joke. I've got some plastic containers that are just a bit smaller than half whiskey barrels but not as deep. I will do one with 1-1-1 gritty just to see what happens. I will do a second one with perlite and napa floor dry. What part perlite to what part floor dry would you guys do?

  • 8 years ago

    kvetchlambkin, thanks for the kind words. When I first started gardening a few years ago I knew pretty much nothing about it. Everything I read talked about the importance of compost, so I started researching how to make compost. If I remember correctly one of the better articles was "compost 101" just google and you will find a ton of info. I always preferred the "hot method". This method gives you usable compost in a fairly quick time frame. To start with you need a lot of leaves. In the fall when people start bagging up their leaves I would go around and collect them before the city picked them up. I met with people and asked permission and asked questions about what if any pesticides they used and stuff like that. Also no leaves from walnut trees. I would dump a bunch of them on the ground and mow them up with a push mower until they were chopped up pretty fine. Start with a layer of that, then add a layer of greens, like left over plants out of the garden, grass clippings and stuff like that, then a layer of chicken manure, throw in some wood ashes, etc etc. There is a lot of stuff that is good for composting and a lot of stuff that is not. I would build my piles in layers with chopped up stuff, adding in "hot stuff". After it sits a few days it heats up and gets pretty hot. After a week or so goes by it cools back down. After the pile cooled down, I took a pitch fork and put the top third in a separate pile, the middle third in another pile. Then make a new pile...what was the top becomes the middle, the middle becomes the bottom and what was the bottom is now the top of the new pile. It heats back up and cools back down. Repeat this a few times and you end up with some really good compost in a short amount of time. Chopping everything up makes things go a lot faster. It's really interesting and there are many other methods also. Just google it and you will get a ton of info. Make a bunch of piles and you will develop muscles in places you didn't know you had! lol Hope this helps.

    Angela

  • 8 years ago

    Thank you Angela! I've read and watched videos on composting but haven't committed to starting yet. I've heard leaves are one of the best for remineralizing, so that's must be where the magic comes from! I think I'm going to go for vermicomposting instead. I say that now but I take forever to actually start. I'll make sure to throw in some leaves that are around for the worms!

    Angela Piedmont NC zone 7b thanked kvetchlambkin (nyc 7b)