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Second Tea Garden.

Well, after my first Tea Garden of 14 roses, I seem to have stumbled on 14 more for a second Tea area. I also have a few more Teas elsewhere in a couple other spots. This second Tea area has a 6 ft tall wood fence aligned North to South about 50 feet long with extra garden area on the South rounding that side out. The depth is about 10 feet on either side of the fence so the roses are six on each side and two on the South end for the 14. I received 5 roses from ARE 1/17, and 6 from RU later in the Spring 5/17. RP sent Etoile deLyon 12/16 and RVR sent sent 2 what I think are Reve dOr in Spring 2017. I had had it with the pots by end of August here, so they all went in the ground. The roses were all suffering in the heat, so naturally I planted them during 100 degree weather. They got various degrees of sun burn and have been through hell. I think an interesting aspect of this planting is the East side vs West of the fence. My first Tea garden faces directly South. This garden should be cooler due to the wood vs stucco wall and I'll see what the different sides do. I'll report the West facing side has Adam, Comtesse Festectics Hamilton, MFK, General Gallieni, Baronne Henriette de Snoy, and Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne headed the South direction. The two Reve dOr are on the South rounded roomy end. The East facing side has North to South, Maman Cochet, Jessie Hildreth, WR Smith, Etoile Lyon, La France, and Mrs. Dudley Cross. My reasoning was the cooler lighter colors would be more visible against the dark wood from a distance, and the West facing darker roses from closer facing my home. Of course, the darker colors could fry here in the Western exposure, but I'm hoping not especially with the wood back round. There are all different sizes here of the roses and I stuck some fillers in. We'll see what happens by next Spring. They are growing roots now and each rose has put out some buds, but it all looks pretty rough after their tough babyhoods. The pot life is hard here after we get into July. We had some family things preventing earlier planting. Here's hoping is all I can say.

Cardboard weed block.

20 yards of topsoil plus compost
West side facing home
East facing side with Jackie
The roses are pretty invisible all around so far.
Adam Thank you!

Comments (57)

  • 8 years ago

    I was thinking the same thing Trish, but hadn't asked yet. :-) A privacy fence makes total sense. Of course all of us would probably plant a hedge for privacy, but now Sheila you will have privacy fence and a gorgeous tea/landscaping/hedge area. I can't wait to see what you create and develop!

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  • 8 years ago

    I'm cheering you on, Sheila! Creating beds from scratch, beginning with the cardboard over sod phase, is very exciting. I love that you're planting all these wonderful Teas and satisfying my craving for their Victorian-Edwardian kind of delicate beauty. Your original Tea garden is breathtaking! A second will be almost too much of the sublime in one location. :-) I can hardly wait for developing updates in photographic documentation! (Hint.) Carol

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  • 8 years ago

    Sheila, thanks so much for sharing this with us. It's going to be so much fun to watch your progress!

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  • 8 years ago

    This is inspiring to see happen, Sheila. Thank you for giving us a look into your process. Those sound like a great group of roses for tea garden number two.

    Justin

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  • 8 years ago
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    Sheila do you plan on putting wires across the fence, or maybe topping it with a lattice trellis, then training a climbing rose across it? That would be spectacular.

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  • 8 years ago

    That sounds wonderful, Cori Ann. I thought Adam could lean gracefully back on the fence, but training a climber over would take it to a new level. The fence at 6 ft high would allow the roses on the east side to get western sun when they reach the top of the fence as it is. If I put the lattice above, the east facing side would get more shaded, which might be a negative for that side.

  • 8 years ago

    You've got some fine looking soil there Sheila, it's no wonder all your roses take off...

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked User
  • 8 years ago
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    Spring update. Still pretty small roses, but all lived including Jesse Hildreth!

    Jesse with new basals.
    Jesse has 5 inch flowers!
    Maman Cochet
    Unknown ID from RVRs. I thought it might be Reve d Or, but too full bloom I think.
    La France
    Adam
    MFK makes a graceful bush.
    General Gallieni, the baby is "breathtaking".
    Comtesse Festicus Hamilton with awkward baby tea growth.
    This is the first year really, so hopefully will fill out. Both East and West facing sides all alive. I'm so grateful Jesse Hildreth #3 made it. This is all a bit spare, but the first Tea garden is probably overfull with fillers.

  • 8 years ago

    Beautiful, Sheila! That RVR mystery sure does look familiar. Hmmmm..... Carol

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  • 8 years ago
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    Lovely roses Sheila, all doing so well now it seems. I wonder if your no i.d. rose is 'Buff Beauty'...? would that be possible?..

    oops..maybe not, the other photo you've posted of it, it looks more pink...

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked User
  • 8 years ago
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    That other thread photo is a different no ID that looks like a HT Marlorena. This one above seems paler than my Buff Beauty. I guess it's bush's shape could help as it grows. I considered Rubens too, after seeing Cori Ann got one from RVRs. It even looked a bit Glorie de Dijon like at one point. I'm open to all suggestions. These Tea roses look so variable at different times it is quite a challenge guessing.

  • 8 years ago

    Sheila I had total faith that your Jesse Hildreth would surpass mine in growth even though mine had a head start this season. Isn’t that funny how that works? Just a bit ago this spring I remember reading you’re was only 12 inches tall! Now, yours has lovely, 5 inch flowers and shot up a bunch of new basals. Mine started growing and blooming about a month earlier I guess, maybe a little more, and is doing well, but doesn’t have flowers as large as yours or growth quite as vigorous. It’s not as tall as yours is now either. Your really do grow roses to perfection there Sheila!

    Here’s my little Jesse this morning, being dwarfed by Chantal Merieux, lilies, sedums and a bunch of other stuff...

    It is doing well, but not as well as yours!

    ;-)

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  • 8 years ago

    Your JH looks lovely, Cori Ann! I am so surprised the blooms here are so huge already. I'm not sure why the third try was the charm, but Jesse has his confidence now. I'm so glad we both have him. Your garden is amazing Cori Ann, and you give all of us hope and courage.

  • 8 years ago

    Sheila, your JH "making it" has brightened my day. Persistence pays. Congratulations!

    Cath

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  • 8 years ago
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    Thank you, Cath. I am so thrilled even as I am confused. This third one maybe was a bit older when I planted him in the ground. I'm not sure 8/31/17 was a great planting date at 100 degrees. I am so relieved. His foliage is beautiful and the blooms are beautiful. He isn't really a slow grower here. That honor would go to Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne who is under a foot tall. The Vintage book described her as a "strong and handsome" shrub. I wrote down Jeri saying she was "low growing" which is more what I am seeing. Her parents are Papa Gontier and Comtesse Festectics Hamilton. Papa is huge here and Mama Festectics has put up a couple basals so I don't know why junior is such a runt. One thing on this third Jesse was I did all planting during extreme heat, which is the opposite of what most roses like, but maybe these Tea roses it is another story. Planting early to get established before the heat hit worked less well, although I planted my first Tea garden mid January with the mostly larger ARE Tea roses and that worked fine.

  • 8 years ago

    Sheila, you and John, along with all the other Tea gardeners on the forum, seduced me into adding a couple more Teas. When I mentioned on another thread that all my Teas are all pink, I did a disservice to Madame Driout! I am growing 3 pink Teas plus this one rare deep crimson-raspberry striped Tea. She's from ARE and just gave me a bloom today. So far, all my ARE babies are exactly what I ordered for my garden and friends' gardens. Do you grow MD? If so, how has she been for you? Carol

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  • 8 years ago

    Looks really lovely, Carol! No I don't have that one yet. There are so many treasures out there.

  • 8 years ago

    Madame Driout is stunning, and what beautiful picture you took of it. I've seen it before in other photos, but it never looked this good!

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 7 years ago

    Long comment won't post.

    MFK always blooming!
    General Gallieni
    Baronne Henriette de Snoy
    Mrs. Dudley Cross
    Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne
    BHdSnoy again.
    General Gallieni again
    MFK
    William R. Smith
    Fence Tea row









  • 7 years ago


    William R. Smith
    Adam
    Making progress
    Reve d'Or
    Maman Cochet
    Adam
    Jesse Hildreth
    I can't get enough of Jesse.
    Comtesse Festectics Hamilton
    Dusk








  • 7 years ago


    You can almost see the roses.
    East facing side is doing as well as West facing side.
    MFK is beautiful, and the bush is perfect.
    Baronne HdSnoy in a different mood.
    Here is the whole BHdSnoy bush looking good so far.
    This is Clementina Carbonieri who is in the adjacent butterfly garden.




  • 7 years ago

    Incredibly beautiful. Thanks for this and I hope you will keep us posted on the future progress of these treasures.

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked monarda_gw
  • 7 years ago

    Sheila, it has all come along wonderfully. It looks like by next year, the fence will be smothered. I do enjoy seeing your wider shots, as well as the close-ups. Jesse Hildreth lights up those photos of him. I can see why you can't get enough. And I am also envious of you having Clementina Carboniera - love those orangey pink Teas. I'm very taken with Adam too. Well, I wouldn't kick any of them out of bed -they're all gorgeous. Maman Cochet seems to be shyly saying "Well if you really must take a photo of me...."

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked titian1 10b Sydney
  • 7 years ago

    Very beautiful Sheila once again... sumptuous rose blooms, and | love the use of grasses with your roses..

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked User
  • 7 years ago

    Wonderful, lovely roses, Sheila, and I so love looking at your beautiful landscape and sky.

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 7 years ago

    I agree, Sheila, you have made incredible progress on this new tea garden. My favorite, for it's stunning color and bloom structure, is Clementina Carbonieri. I need to learn more about her. How is your butterfly garden working out? I wish I had the space for one.


    And now my question to Sheila, and to you all: why are none of you posting on the roses forum? Are you aware of it? Sheila, you are so missed on the seasonal forum. Come back. Diane

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
  • 7 years ago

    Diane, The only reason I didn't co-post was because I worried that the regular forum would find the OGR news and Tea rose info too irritating. That garden.org forum did not want to separate the two topics and somewhere I got the impression some people find "mixing" topics a problem. I look at both the Antique and Rose forums but my heart is really into the OGRs. So I look at both and love people on both houzz forums but I'm not wanting to irritate people.

    My CC is a joy. So far it was a bit slow to get started but has come along. My butterfly garden is coming along and we do see bees and monarchs like crazy.


  • 7 years ago

    Thanks for your answer, Sheila. I don't find any rose news irritating at all, and I wish you would reconsider. Diane

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  • 7 years ago

    I'd be happy to post on both again, Diane. I do love the people on both houzz forums. Some of the format on the garden.org didn't appeal to me, so I shouldn't focus on that forum's issues, although I know a lot of the people are lovely.

  • 7 years ago

    Wow, love the colors of Clementina Carbonieri.

    You got really lucky with that mystery rose from RVR. Let us know if you ever get an ID on it.

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked totoro z7b Md
  • 7 years ago

    Shelia...your pictures are always so beautiful and inspirational! I love all the perennials and grasses you've mixed in with the roses.

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked Rosylady (PNW zone 8)
  • 7 years ago

    I do agree I lucked out with my mystery rose from RVRs totoro. I am now thinking it must be Reve d'Or. It just looks prettier than my other Reve from ARE, but it is in better soil which might be the difference. I think Kim said that there are several different Reve clones sold and this RVR one is a beauty. It came as Marechal Niel, which it is not. I got a real MN from RPs and I love it too but it is still in a pot since everyone says it is so delicate.

  • 7 years ago

    Thanks for the garden update. The Tea Roses are so delightful, the pink and cream colors make for a lovely combination in the blooms.

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked Krista_5NY
  • 7 years ago
    Sheila, I don't know how I miss this thread but I am glad I saw it . It is a wonderful how everything falls in place. Your roses look so , so, beautiful. Love the grasses which gives the soft look. They sure can get huge and dances in the winds.( we have them all over here and at work. They are so , so big and beautiful colours. Watch out when wind blows)
    Beautiful landscape :)
    Thank you so much for updating your gardens. They look spectacular esp Jesse :)
    jin
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  • 7 years ago

    I just saw this thread as well. Everything looks so beautiful Sheila! Love your Tea row :)

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked Alana8aSC
  • 7 years ago

    VERY inspirational. Everything looks so healthy and happy! :-)

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked Perma n’ Posies/9A FL
  • 7 years ago
    Shelia, such a beautiful rose garden! I also got Reve d’Or from RVR and I am looking forward to training it on the fence between our house and the neighbors. It will be sometime before I have any pictures to post as all my roses are just little baby sticks right now. Love, love, love reading about and seeing other people’s gardens while I wait for mine to grow :-)
    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
  • 7 years ago

    Comtesse, I threw those photos into another person's thread. I did see your kind remark. I'm sure it will turn up. I was glad to see those Fall iris blooms. They are reblooming iris, but I just added irrigation this Summer to make that happen. I think Ingrid mentioned hers were on irrigation. Without Summer H20, they did not rebloom here previously.

  • 6 years ago

    Second Tea garden starting bloom on west side.

    Adam

    Adam whole plant

    Comtesse Festetics Hamilton

  • 6 years ago

    Equally gorgeous. I hope Comtesse comments as I suddenly realized we haven't heard from here in a while.

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  • 6 years ago

    So glad this tea garden was also featured. It was fun to see it from the very beginning and ogle all these roses again. I'm really impressed by Adam, who is a stunner this year. So is Comtesse F. Hamilton, and they look wonderful together. For some reason when I see your beautiful roses it gives me hope for my garden, which makes no sense at all. Hope springs eternal in the gardener's breast.

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
  • 6 years ago

    Hip hip HOORAY!!

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
  • 6 years ago

    Wow Adam is a beauty! Your Tea garden looks amazing after 3 years!

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked Stephanie, 9b inland SoCal
  • 6 years ago

    Sheila, I had no idea Adam was so lovely. Photos I've seen online from suppliers here do not do it justice. I've never seen Comtesse FH except in your photos. She is blooming her head off, and I agree with Ingrid (when do I not!), they look wonderful together.

    I meant to add, on another thread, that the Anna Olivier I cut back to the graft, and that in a season is now 5', was only three years old. So I'm not at all sure about not pruning Teas. Though some of them may not like it, according to HMF. And the G Nabonnand I cut to the graft this Spring was only 4 or 5 years old, and it is now 5' high and wide.

    Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR thanked titian1 10b Sydney
  • 6 years ago

    Sheila, I am loving Adam and Comtessa but i rather admire roses as they can get huge.

    Looking forward to more pics in future.


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  • 6 years ago
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    Trish, I do hope the Teas keep going and can tolerate some bodily loss which might be from wind here. I have had some sulk after a cane broke in wind and just sit there for what seemed like forever. They do seem to pick up steam after a slow start. My Anna Olivier just put out a great basal and then I found the top broken off, maybe from a bird. It was so disappointing. I am so ready for mine to really take off.

    All my Teas really started pretty small and are own root.

    Comtesse F. Hamilton had an awkward adolescence and looked terrible her second year, and now she filled out so nicely. I don't think the Teas are well known over here at all. I really don't know anyone in person who grows them. Thankful for all you on the forum.

  • 6 years ago

    Finally Comtesse Emmeline de Guigne is visible, all others are 5-6 ft tall.
    Quite cheery but a dwarf compared to parents Papa Gontier and Comtesse F. Hamilton.

    All the others are triple it's size.


  • 6 years ago
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    So happy William R. Smith is more dignified on the East side.
    Jesse Hildreth is starting bloom too. Wonderful rounded bush shape.
    I can see William has a variety of colors.
    Jesse Hildreth is so graceful. All just starting here. This fence garden is cooler than the stucco wall garden.

  • 6 years ago

    Jesse
    Adam
    Adam, Comtesse F. Hamilton and MFK on the right.
    General Gallieni. Others not started yet.

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