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ASAP help needed - backsplash tile spacing...

8 years ago

I'm using the wall tile pictured below for my kitchen backsplash. The tile will white and I chosen a light gray grout. I specifically went with a slight contrast in the grout bc I want the shape of the tiles to be evident. By no means do I want the grout itself to be a "feature" of the tile work.


My contractor was reviewing the layout today for the installation scheduled for tomorrow morning. He assumed that we would not be using spacers and said that you don't usually use spacers for subway-style tile. Does this sound right? Would the amount of grout showing using no spacers achieve my goal? Would the grout look uniform? Or do I should I be going with 16th inch spacers? 1/8th inch? Would that create too heavy a grout line?


The woman who helped us with our tile selection is out of town and I'm a little panicked that I'll make the wrong decision.


Thanks so much!





Comments (23)

  • 8 years ago

    What spacing does the manufacturer recommend?

  • 8 years ago

    some subway tiles are self spacing. I don't think this shape tile is. If they tiles have rectified edges, you can do small grout lines. If they are more of a handmade type of tile, you will need to go bigger to account for minor variations.

    There should be a recommended grout specification from the manufacturer on this tile. Call the company and ask if you can't find it on line. It's looks like 1/8" in the picture.

    please have your tile guy use the spacers if these tiles are not self spacing!

  • 8 years ago

    (also, um, this is not subway tile!!)

  • 8 years ago

    You need a new tile guy. Seriously.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Post a photo of the actual tile edge for a accurate response. Odds are your contractor is correct.

  • 8 years ago
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    In that subway tiles “usually” don’t use spacers?? I think not.

  • 8 years ago

    There are two different possibilities for no spacers.

    One, the tiles could have lugs on the sides acting as spacers, or two, the subway tile is completely flat and rectified for minimal groutlines.

    But the tile in the picture is not subway tile.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Exactlly. The contractor is not very knowledgeable about tile, for sure.

  • 8 years ago

    Creative Tile Eastern CT, I'm impressed that you don't use spacers. We just completed my backsplash with glass subway-style tiles (and I appreciate the term as it provides a pretty clear picture as to the style) and I wanted a precise clean 1/8" grout line. We'd never have managed that without spacers to keep the tiles from sliding together. And after doing it, I would honestly question the tile guy that told me he wasn't planning on using them. You must be pretty darn good.

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Spacers are a irrelevant factor as to the experience of a tile setter. Some use them some don't. As I stated above wedges/shims as needed. Proper selection of setting material and the correct consistency is key to avoiding sag. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0LEVwsXrCta52cAeQ5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMXBobHNmBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVUkwMkM0XzEEc2VjA3Nj?p=ardex+non+sag+mortar&fr=yfp-t-s#action=view&id=1&vid=78d4211514f410beaec2e3de4e6aac6b

    Contacting the glass tile manufacturer is #1 to the proper setting material. Most require glass tile mortar while others require mastic. Use the wrong one and this could happen.

    Sliding glass would be installer error or limited DIY'er knowledge. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0LEVwsXrCta52cAeQ5XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMXBobHNmBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVUkwMkM0XzEEc2VjA3Nj?p=ardex+non+sag+mortar&fr=yfp-t-s#action=view&id=15&vid=5f4b5e1035dc021c7a14c0ca7033e0ea

    @Chess. Would you care to question me further or have I addressed your concerns?

  • PRO
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    My neighbor hired a tile guy that didn't use spacers. I thought "Either this guy is nuts or the best tile guy I've ever seen." He was the best.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Joseph Corlett, LLC, I can understand being able to do that on a floor. Even though I am not that skilled, I can appreciate that others are. But on a backsplash or vertical surface with large tiles? Would not have been possible on mine.

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Do not go closer than the manufacturer's recommendation. Part of the reason is that this is a ceramic tile and has variations in size. Going to 1/16" for a ceramic tile especially with a contrasting grout will highlight even the slightest variation in spacing. It will look bad.

    And your installer sounds like a confident dummy, so good luck.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Or better yet. Hire A competent PRO and stay out of the way theyll know exactly how far and tight tey can push it. You dont gather info on the misinformed hooz and then second guess your SMART hiring decision and dictate things said from randon whackos on the web. And VERY rarely would i take a snippet advice from A point of sale tile salesman or woman RARE. Most of whom never set a tile in their days. Its an internet/sales thing see thru it

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    Agreed @Thatsmuchbetter. Hiring a competent pro and listening to them is the best thing anyone can do!

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    @chess "But on a backsplash or vertical surface with large tiles? Would not have been possible on mine." I took the time to find and post 2 video links explaining how it is done! Did you take the time to watch them? Perhaps your vertical surface is special:) To top it off you are advising the OP on the contractors knowledge! Which has not been established in this thread. I contribute time here to help the OP and not criticize. ctychick must weed through all the baseless statements about spacers being required and her contractor's lack of knowledge (although he may be correct)

    CTYCHICK it would be best for you IMO to have the tile setter show you the options he feels are attainable. Decide from there and forget you ever saw this thread:)

    Best of luck with your project.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    I know enough GCs and builders to stand by my statements. But agreed OP should discuss with the tilesetter not rely on a GC.

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Thats just it, your debating A Bonified pro with dozens of years hands on the tools. With your second hand I heard it from so and so. Its great you contribute here. Fall in line when you have some facts to share..

  • 8 years ago

    Truth be told, I'm uncertain. I just want to say that I LOVE the tile you picked!

  • 8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Fall in line? LOL. I'm not debating a thing. Obviously there are many here that know far more than I do, and are far more experienced in all sorts of things. But if the OP were to read through any tile forums, or watch any number of videos, it's pretty easy to see that using spacers on a backsplash, where you want a 1/8"grout line, is pretty standard practice. If you want minimal grout, then certainly no spacers are needed. But that is not what I thought the OP (unless I misinterpreted) was looking for. And if I did not make that clear, I should have.

    I did not see any videos that CTECT said he posted, but here is one that is impressive. ( I watched this one, and probably 20 others, before we did my tile work.) This guy is putting in glass tile, a bit smaller than mine are, and uses no spacers here (well technically he does have a couple in there) and doesn't need them since there's no grout line. Completely different than what I was referring to and a totally different look than I was after.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHzTRovyaPk

  • PRO
    8 years ago

    "but here is one that is impressive." Thanks for shining a light on the problem with youtube instructions. After 47 seconds into your impressive video link there are already 5 basic things done wrong. Anyone can post a video. No knowledge required and others believe it. Always follow TCNA guidelines or manufacturers instructions which supersede TCNA as they carry the warranty. ctychick I hope your project turned out well.

  • 8 years ago

    LOL. There are problems with most instructional videos. For the purposes that I was using it for however, it was very useful. My project turned out better than I ever dared hoped for, thanks!

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