I've read that hybrid setigeras are supposed to bloom late, and that is true for my species setigera, which blooms in July. But Erinnerung an Brod blooms right with the bulk of the rest of my roses in April, maybe even a little earlier than the rest, other than the teas.

I will have to try to take notes Bart on whom blooms when. I've always wondered about that though and wanted to make the effect that you are talkingv about. So I will follow your thread and add I think species, or at least my pomifera are early, and hugonis or Harrison's were early, maybe them both... I remember reading a thread and Mad Gallica I think was stating when some of hers started. I will try and find it and post the link.

[https://www.houzz.com/discussions/how-long-do-your-roses-bloom-dsvw-vd~1615303[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/how-long-do-your-roses-bloom-dsvw-vd~1615303) here's one. I hope it copied the whole link, not the one I was searching for but..

https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/1605211/well-it-was-a-tie

Hers another

https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/1711498/when-do-i-bloom

Another I hope you enjoy them even though they weren't what I was looking for

I just read them better and I think the last one may be what you are looking for

The rugosa Blanc Double de Coubert is the earliest for me. I do not have any of the early yellow type of OGRs like hugonis or Harrison's that would be hardy here. The teas, chinas and most noisettes are tender here, Blush Noisette being an exception. I haven't noticed the earliness of BN, one way or the other.

Cath

In my zone 9 Mediterranean climate, the teas mostly bloom a bit 12 months of the year, They do have a "spring flush", of course, and then bloom fairly well all summer, and keep some scattered bloom all winter. They are just waking up now from what they evidently think is their winter rest, and are putting out new spring blooms.

The roses which are once bloomers, of course, have a much bigger "spring flush". Mine start off with Belle Portugaise and banksia lutea, which bloom at the same time. This year mine both started in mid January, and are about half out at this point - they will both keep blooming usually through March. Then comes Cl Cecile Brunner, which is right next to them on our house. It generally starts when the other two are just finishing - say, mid March. Along with CB blooms vielchenblau, Cl American Beauty, and several other once bloomers. The teas are well into their spring flush then too.

Of course, strange weather can change this. One year we had one entire side of the house and porch covered with bloom when Belle Portugaise, Cl Cecile Brunner, and banksia lutea were all blooming at maximum at exactly the same time - all 3 stories tall and 20+ feet wide. We had a lot of pedestrian traffic that year - people marching (very nicely and politely) down our driveway to look at them and take pictures.

Jackie

My-o-my, that year when you had Belle P,ClCecile B,and the bansia all blooming together must have been quite a sight! It sounds like you've done a pretty good job with your orchestrating, Jackie! Alana, thank you so much for the links; it would be fantastic if you could get back to this thread later on in the year. Thank you all once again for your comments.

I hesitated to answer here because I don't pay enough attention to have detailed information on rose bloom sequence. Very roughly, though, it's like this. The warm climate roses and Rosa hugonis (one of the early yellows, the only one I grow) start earliest, usually around the end of April, with 'Old Blush', 'Sanguinea', and 'Jaune Desprez' usually being the first. If early spring is exceptionally warm, however, the Teas and Chinas can start earlier: I've know 'Etoile de Lyon' to bloom in March, and it and 'Mme. Jules Bouche', a Tea-like Hybrid Tea, have been trying to bloom all winter, along with 'Noella Nabonnand'. Like Jackie says, the reblooming warm climate roses will bloom whenever they have suitable conditions. Although 'Jaune Desprez' is early, some of the Noisettes may run later, I'm not sure. I think 'Crepuscule' may start later than JD, although it also grows along a wall facing north of east, while JD is on a southfacing wall. In my unwatered, hot garden May is the big season for the warm climate repeat-flowering roses, while all flowering peters out once summer really kicks in, usually around the official beginning of the season, June 21st. Oh, yes: the Banksiaes are also early. 'Purezza', a banksiae hybrid, blooms after the species.

The once-blooming old roses of European origin, Gallicas, Albas, Damasks, Mosses, get going a couple of weeks after the warm climate roses, their bloom period running roughly from mid-May to mid-June. The Centifolias bloom a bit later than the other classes (this may be true too for the Centifolia mosses).

The ramblers are a very mixed class as to species origins, and their bloom time varies accordingly, but some of them are among the latest roses to flower. I think some of the Multiflora ramblers and Wichurianas bloom late; so does R. moschata, which is famous for this characteristic. I remember 'New Dawn' and its sport 'Awakening' as flowering late: this is one of their satisfactory qualities. The Hybrid Musks are somewhere in the middle of all this action. I don't have any Rugosas and not much in the way of Scotch roses, though now that I think about it, I believe the Kordes shrub 'Fruehlingsduft' blooms early.

Planning perennials and bulbs is definitely a part of "garden orchestration", IMO! Cynthia's post,read together with, for example, Jackie's, also does shed quite a lot of light on WHY it can be so hard to find info on exactly when in rose season a given type blooms; there are so many climate factors involved. Yet it is indeed a huge help to see some generalizations emerge.

"If I can manage to get the big-uns behind the little-uns I consider it a victory"-well said. This is a question you have to factor in with perennials as well. As stunning as delphiniums can be (if you have the time to fuss over protecting them against slugs as they emerge), they must be placed with care amongst roses: their green ,bushy base can be so big,obscuring a smaller rose, and they come into flower rather later than I'd like,so if you want to get the efffect of their great deep blues with certain roses you have to be careful. I wonder if I'll ever get the time to fuss over those beauties again, lol!

With my compressed rose season this is not a problem. As long as I don't plant cold colours with warm colours everything goes together. My rose season starts in late May with the red and white species roses kept together and ends in late October with the moderns or older reblooming roses. I keep whites and yellows in their own beds and mix the rest, most of them pink or purple. I have perennials in all colours but I am wary with the strong yellows. Blue is my favourite colour with delphiniums, salvias, geraniums, violas, nepetas, lavenders and Siberian irises. I grow many larger shrubs without companion plants, only lime green alchemillas that go with everything.

Ah, that's a colour combination after my own heart,Mariannese-the blue ,white, pale oink with the strong and true VIOLET coloured rose...