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Are organic apples really organic?

8 years ago

So -- I buy organic, Washington (east side) apples at PCC all winter long. They appear perfect in every way. But my home grown organic apples here on the west side are utterly destroyed by coddling moth, apple maggots and perhaps other bugs that are unfamiliar to me. Out of the hundreds of apples on my young trees last season I didn't end up with even one single fruit that wasn't ruined. I will never be much of a sprayer --organic or otherwise-- but I was just wondering if anyone here knows what they do over there on the east side of the mountains, to produce so many organic apples. What type of "magic" are they using? Are apple pests much worse over here on the west side? Are they constantly spraying? If so what are they spraying? Do they use other non-spray methods to reduce losses to insects? Do they use physical barriers to keep insect away from the trees? Do they throw out a lot of infested fruit and ship only the good stuff? I'm starting to wonder...are they perhaps not organically grown at all? Something else? Inquiring minds!

Comments (13)

  • 8 years ago

    Kaolin clay, perhaps. If you have the name of an orchard you should ask them.

    tj

  • 8 years ago

    Klark, I can't explain why the commercially grown organic apples look so different from homegrown ones or what methods or practices are used to get them to look so 'pretty' but I have made that assessment myself. :-) I found this article on the organic portion of the WA state apple industry, which is apparently a significant segment and getting larger. It IS authored by the WA Apple Commission so no doubt showing the most favorable side possible, but it does look like the organic orchards are heavily monitored and inspected routinely.

    Organic Apples

    I think tj may have the right idea in asking an organic orchardist what practices they follow.

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  • 8 years ago

    Maybe pyrethrins, neem or some other horticultural oil?

    General rant: my neighborhood has too many fruit trees with rotting fruit at the base of the trees for months on end. At first I thought it was a waste, but it's probably just inedible maggot-filled fruit.

  • 8 years ago
    1. Climate and weather can have a huge impact on disease and insect populations.


    1. Organic does not mean no chemicals. It just means only approved chemicals. Fyi: water is a chemical.


    1. You are only seeing at market the produce that was deemed good enough to ship. While it is fair to assume a grower does a good job of growing a full crop of marketable fruit, you just don't know what % of that crop goes to fresh market.


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  • 8 years ago

    People not picking up apples is the biggest problem . .Use the apple maggot lures Plastic red apples you tie to the tree just as the blossoms are showing and attach the little capsule with a pheromone in it. You put a sticky layer of anything on the apple and when the moths are attracted by the lure they stick to the goo. Works for me. Some people put light in their trees with a pail underneath and when the moth goes to the lure the light is hot and it drops into the pail .

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    Yeah, you definitely don't want to leave apples rotting on the ground, if you can help it (probably not other fruit, either). At least dig a hole and bury them, if you can. I'm not in Washington (rather SW Idaho where it's very hot and dry in the summer), but I believe rotting apples can cause the spread of diseases like anthracnose, a fruit rot pathogen, to your other garden crops (particularly if you have spider mites).

    All the apple trees in my neighborhood (not just at our place) are riddled with spider mites. It's been so bad that we've been removing most of our apple trees. We'll probably put peaches and plums in instead, since they've done better historically, and don't seem to be bothered by the mites (nor by the worms/moths).

  • 8 years ago

    Thanks all for the feedback. Pam, this is from the page you linked: "Natural pest control methods are derived from plant extracts, the
    fermentations of yeast, beneficial insects, mating disruption pheromones
    and systems that bait and trap pests". I suppose they immaculately clean up all infected and fallen fruit as well...not gonna happen around my neighborhood!

    I might try the sticky pheromone traps, or the "stockings". If apples don't pan out for me I'll just plant more blueberries, currants or other experimental fruits.

  • 8 years ago

    Commercial organic apples are sprayed a lot using ORMI approved chemicals. Organic does not mean "not sprayed'' although that idea is often promoted. Check out the ORMI web site for a list of chemicals approved for organic production: https://www.omri.org/



  • 8 years ago

    I've heard about them spraying organic apples with some kind of copper.

  • 8 years ago

    Copper is considered an organic fungicide. Many fruit trees are sprayed with this, organic or not. It is much harder to find organically approved insect control........that actually works :-))

    Fallen fruit in my neighborhood doesn't last long. Deer and raccoons clean it up tout de suite!!

  • 8 years ago

    they use

    a) semi-arid areas with irrigated orchards to eliminate fungal diseases

    b) chickens to strongly reduce CM, AM and PC larvae in fall.

    They then sort the apples: blemished go to juice, unblemished go to market.

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