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Antonovka Seeds Wanted

8 years ago

Does anyone have any Anton seeds for sale/trade?

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  • 8 years ago

    I haven't tried ordering from them, but I it looks like they do have some for sale: https://www.incredibleseeds.ca/products/antonovka-apple-tree-seeds 

  • 8 years ago

    THank you for this. I've ordered a couple packs but needed more like 100 or so

  • 8 years ago

    Summerland has seed for antonovka, it is listed under their budwood drop down menu then click catalogue, and it is listed right at the bottom. The prices are listed on the budwood price page. Here is the link.https://www.summerlandvarieties.com/budwood/catalogue/

  • 8 years ago

    Thanks. I checked and they are sold out

  • 8 years ago

    Hmmm, to bad, I often look for rare seeds how about Sheffields? it looks like they have some and they do ship to Canada.


  • 8 years ago

    Would't these seeds be crossed with something else?


    In the first link it says..

    >>This is a great rootstock apple tree with fruit that is ideal for cooking. <<

    That's total BS...seeds hardly ever come true to Cultivar! Most likely you'll get little ornamental apples. You could just pick some Siberian crab apple seeds from local trees..it wouldn't make much difference.


  • 8 years ago

    That's a really good point Konrad, that didn't even cross my mind. I wonder if is any chance the seeds come from a controlled cross, I would assume this would be difficult for a tree.

  • 8 years ago

    Antonovka seeds are one of only a few that run true from seed....apparently.




  • 8 years ago

    I also have read that is comes true from seed. It also looks like a pretty good apple.

    http://saltspringapplecompany.com/Antonovka.htm

  • 8 years ago

    I've been hearing for years.......hardly any Antonovka apples are the real thing anymore...been polluted down, so no, not true from seeds, perhaps close and mostly used for full size tree root stock...not something I'd do in a homegarden..especially for zone 8.

  • 8 years ago

    Not to change the topic Konrad but I think the UfoS says the same thing about wild plums, very hard to get one that hasn't been crossed at some point.

    I guess that is why some of the siberian apple seedlings I order for rootstock have red leaves, they are crossed like all the rest. Time to save my own.

  • 8 years ago

    We can't believe everything on internet....

    I've asked this question to my mentors..

    From Dr. Ieuan Evans..

    I`d be amazed if it grew true from seed. Oranges,
    peaches, nectarines, lemons, apricots and dandelions grow 95% + true
    from seed. Saskatoons 70%. Apples, pears plums cherries are all true
    crosses as far as I know.


    From Bernie

    I heard its impossible for them to grow exactly true to type from seed.
    But close enough to make a good rootstock. Don Siemens used to grow
    seeds for Sprout Farms years ago and liked
    them.


    From Gabor Botar

    Apple cultivars differ in the proportion of seedlings that physically
    resemble the mother plant. Some, like the Antonovka most people talk
    about, will have seedlings that often resemble the mother plant,
    irrespective of pollen
    source. (McIntosh apparently also has this tendency, with over half of
    its seedlings resembling the mother plant in many respects.) I found
    seedlings of 'Columbia' to be useful as reliably similar hardy
    rootstocks. Physically similar does not mean genetically
    identical, unless the seeds were produced apomictically. 'Antonovka' is
    actually a cluster of related Malus lines, some of which may indeed be
    apomictic...I do not know the details. Short answer : chances are good
    that your seedlings will behave much as expected
    if used as rootstocks, but fruit quality is less likely to be as
    predictable.
    Cheers,
    GB

    From a US friend..breeder

    Well it would seem unlikely that, if grown from seed, the strain could
    have been kept that pure. Certainly some of the generations would have
    been from stray pollen of other apples. Even if Antonovka apples were
    grown only where the seeds were made, and no
    pollen was carried in by insects from other types (fat chance of that
    over many generations of unknown breeding), seedling variability would
    guarantee some differences in the resulting supposed Antonovka apples.
    Throw in stray pollen or uncontrolled crosses
    over the generations and probably you have something that somebody
    claims is the original Antonovka, or may resemble it, but probably is
    not and cannot be unless it was clonally propagated. IMO one can say
    things come "fairly true" from seed, but this does
    not make a pure strain which is completely stable through many
    generations. You might have someting more like a Landrace variety,
    although perhaps that term is different. Even the six or eight
    generations recommended to come up with a supposedly pure inbred
    line is only an approximation of something, and various genotypes are
    still going to be hidden in there, though not nearly as often expressed
    in the phenotype. Even clonally propagated material can change
    occassionally... ie. somaclonal variation, sport mutations.
    I may sound like I am trying to talk like I think I am a plant
    breeder... but I will admit I am only of the amateur sort. So run this
    question by a real fruit tree breeder with credentials. haha.

    Here... maybe you can pay thirty bucks or so and get something out of a download of this paper. I'm too cheap do it myself.

    Effect of mutational variability on characteristics and properties of common Antonovka apples [1974]

    Kolontaev, V.M.


    From a Austrian friend...

    1) one might have to check if Antonovka (there are several sports of it!) is self fertile!

    2) if so it might have to be planted far away from any other flowering apple tree = which is quite unlikely to get pollinated!??

    3) Apomictic plants like many Amelanchiers are can produce strains
    which come quite true from seed but there is also subtle change over the
    generations also due to mutations and genetic rearrangements (crossing
    over? in plants??

    4 You get even bud mutations if you propagate clonally! Moreover
    some epigenetics might also play a role in plants which are grown from
    cuttings again from cuttings. It is known that their leaf shape can
    change due to effects I don ´t understand.

    Antonovka is a well known rootstock for that purpose yes. Here it
    did not do as well as I thought and I am working with Bittenfelder now.
    Voles seem to like it a lot! They seem to produce larger trees and good
    sized apples (influence of the rootstock).
    worth a try.

    There are different strains of Antonovkas. I grow Antonovka 500g
    and Antonovka safranoje (which I got from FIN) - it is earlier ripening.
    The Belarus guy on Youtube posted a few comments and a video on his
    Antonovka strains!

  • 8 years ago

    Nice. Well done




  • 8 years ago

    Thank you for the clarification Konrad. Definitely not my area of experience. I’m learning about rose breeding, and my understanding when controlled cross is made (and pistils covered), the seedlings from one hip still vary; your info supports this.

  • 8 years ago
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    From Thean Pheh....breeder

    Ananros is one of the better known seedling of Antonovka. See the big differences both in size and qualities! I have used open pollinated Antonovka seedlings before as rootstock and I'm not impressed - too much variations in hardiness.

    Peace

    Thean

  • 8 years ago
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    Globell..what is your intention with the seeds...grow them out or rootstock?

  • 8 years ago
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    Yes. Rootstock. We live by a creek and want them to feed from the water table without irrigation (once established). We like the taproot and the soil on that size of he yard isn't grand as it's fill we are remediating the soil for printing in one years time for five large trees

    Suggestions in regards to antonovka?

  • 8 years ago
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    Well...most of the island gets plenty of rain, think Antonovka roots would make them too large.

  • 8 years ago
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    Perfect. I may also use an interstem

  • 8 years ago

    This uses a number in the name as though a clone from a series is being used as root-stock.

    http://articles.extension.org/pages/60849/apple-rootstock-info:-antonovka-313

  • 8 years ago

    Chic! Can you message me? I tried to message you but couldn’t be find the link.

  • 8 years ago

    You have to follow first for message, click on Chic...window shows up and click follow.

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