Looking at your little tree i would go with W/T graft depending how large your budwood is, easy to do. Forum members might give you stuff, good luck!'

Veneer graft work also , easy one too. Just ask Laura how to do it, she got the right equipment.

I have a trifoliate very much like that one that I'd love to try grafting onto. I have some of the same questions!

With T-budding you have better success; and you get more chances, as each leaf node can become a tree.

Thank you Bob, John! Can I graft 2-3 buds per trunk?

I have grafted as many as 10 buds to a single trunk; but the trunk needs to have a bit larger girth; and try to put the buds at the same level; so they will get the same energy push.

Thank you for the info, Citrange! I have 5 other rootstocks growing as a single “straight” trunk, but they are not quite pencil thick yet. I will post pictures tomorrow. I will practice t bud grafting before ordering the budwood since it is pricey, even for one stick - I want to ensure the highest rate of success :)

Beautiful results, Steve! Please excuse my ignorance, but what type of trifoliate is US897 and how thick was the trunk you grafted to?

Yeah, CCPP quoted me like $80 shipped for a few budsticks. Thats ridiculous, I could buy 2 or 3 full size trees for that.

Wow! Jaydub, where are you located?

US897 is a cross between Cleopatra and flying dragon. It is fully dwarfing but not cold hardy like most other trifoliate hybrids. It is extremely new and not used because of its high death rate within the first 10 years. It is faster growing than Flying dragon and has a lot of the good qualities of FD.

Steve

Thanks, Steve - that’s exactly what I was thinking! Here are some close up pictures:

Here are my other rootstocks, but they are much smaller than the other tree:

Kelly, Im in VA. This is what they sent me last year:

If you wish to order from CCPP, for out-of- California state, there is a fee of $2.50 per bud (minimum order amount is 6 buds, that is equivalent to one budwood / one bud stick), plus Phytosanitary Certificate fee ($45.00) and FedEx shipment rate (~$20.00 up to 2 lb.). The budwood fee is suggested by California Citrus Nursery Society (CCNS).

The CCPP minimum order amount is 6 buds per variety, which is equivalent to one budwood (one stick). After placing the order, an invoice will be emailed to you with payment instruction. The order will only be processed and shipped after payment confirmation.

So if my math is right, it will cost $80 bare minimum for one budstick. That is outrageous.

Wow, that is outrageous, and slightly discouraging. Thanks for the information Jaydub!

Yeah it was a let down. It would be nice if those of us in non-quarantine areas could organize some kind of scion swap like they do with other fruit trees.

Well, it gets worse than that, depending on where you live. The citrus lobby.... who does not like competition will get in your way any way they can to prevent you from getting buds. I am a member of the citrus committee of the Assoc. of Guatemalan Exporters; and 4 years ago they established a "goal" to get certified budwood from California. I told them at the time that they had NO chance of getting it; they responded with the colloquial "it's a free market"... which of course it is NOT. To this date they have not acquired a single bud from the CCPP; nor are they likely to anytime in the forseeable future.

Pip was smart. He bought the trees and used buds from them to graft on his rootstock choice. He then gave me the tree and I took buds to graft to the same rootstock. The original tree is outside in ground and doing very well.

Steve

Jaydub, visit this link: https://www.ars.usda.gov/pacific-west-area/riverside-ca/national-clonal-germplasm-repository-for-citrus/

I emailed them, requesting a few sticks of budwood for personal use. They will be sending them in September for free (free until the regional centers are online)

Great alternative resource Kelley! Thanks for sharing! Since everyone talks often about buds and rootstocks, I'm starting to find grafting interesting too. I really wouldn't mind paying for budwood since it takes money to collect, test, and trial so many cultivars. But when the CCPP intentionally prevent people from getting budwood like that, I'd much rather take my money elsewhere! I don't have space to start grafting as a hobby right now. When the repository's regional centers come online though, I definitely wouldn't mind paying the respository for budwood in the future! That kind of gesture they extended to you shows a lot of promise about their intentions for the repository

I fully agree, Kvet! I would be more than happy to support their research, but I can’t afford $80 for one budstick. I will definitely make a personal donation, however. I’m hoping a regional center will be established here in GA since we starting to take over where FL left off.

Kelley, I do not see any way of ordering budwood on the site you posted.

Sorry Vladimir, I picked what I wanted from the CCPP list, then sent an email to riv@ars-grin.gov requesting a few bud sticks for grafting for personal use. They responded first thing this morning.

I guess the only thing I am missing is a Marumi kumquat. My sour orange will be big enough to graft by July. I'll check with them then if I am still interested.

Steve

Hi Kelley, I am late to the party :) so good to see you planning and researching how to graft trees :)) Go for it, you got nice advice above! I would ask friends or citrus growers around your area for some scions to practice, 80 bucks for 6 buds, unbelievable!

So, I will be bud grafting a few of the tangerine stems I purchased today to one of my trifoliate rootstocks tomorrow evening! Question: should I place the tree in a sunny window on a seedling heat mat? Our temps are going to be in a wild range the next week or so.

Thanks Sunshine! You’ve definitely inspired me!

You guys inspire me back, I have held free grafting sessions for kids, friends and neighbors:))

That's amazing sunshine! I hope they start growing some fruit trees of their own. It would be so cool to have fruit swapping take place within a community

I have made 4-5 citrus and non citrus fruit trees for myself by grafting twigs from friends and neighbors on my seedlings, have given close to 30-40 trees and houseplants to people as a gift, I do and say it proudly, not everything should be tied to money, profits and bottom line in this life.

Jaydub, isn't the phytosanitary certificate necessary only for shipments out of USA and not necessary for interstate shipments?

I only know what I was quoted by email from CCPP. It would be great if it wasn't necessary though.

Vlad,

Was searching around today and found this, they want the phytosanitary certificate fee for interstate shipping as well.

And on top of that, ordering a minimum amount of budsticks would cost $150 plus shipping (!), so even less cost effective for the hobbyist than CCPP.

All I want is 1 freaking stick of NZL budwood lol, imagine the size of the tree one could get for $80 or $150

Oh and Kelly, I totally forgot I actually already emailed the usda.gov folks last year. They were not able to send anything out at that time, because of an HLB infection discovered in a nearby grapefruit tree. I just emailed them back, so fingers crossed. It would be really nice to get something sooner than Sept though, so any successful graft would have this summer to grow. But beggars cant be choosers lol.

jaydub, a $100 processing fee? How much do they get paid per hour?

To avoid paying the high prices demanded by CCPP, why don't people on this forum offer bud sticks (cuttings) for trade or sale the way they do with figs on the Ourfigs.com forum? Seems to me that, as long as we do not ship to or out of quarantine states, that would be OK.

I am interested in trading and/or buying cuttings.

Vladimir - GW has a general "Garden Exchange" forum for trades here - http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/exgard

I know back in the Spike days, many of the busy forums actually had an "exchange" subforum attached to their main forum and there is a link to a list of those here - http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/exchind

Maybe the Houzz people can do similar for this forum (create a "Citrus Exchange" sub-forum) given the amount of grafters here.

I like the idea of exchanging cuttings for budwood with everyone and have thought before that we should try it. However I was on Fruitmentor's site the other day and he brought up a good point about preventing the spread of citrus greening through sharing budwood/cuttings for rooting or grafting. That's the only concern I might worry about but other than that it is a great way to grow the citrus community

Maybe we should create a thread to discuss Vladimir's idea that's separate from Kelly's thread so that we don't hijack it? I do think it's a great idea though!

And here is the thread: https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5300014/should-we-start-a-budwood-cutting-exchange-thread?n=1

Quick question: can I graft t buds to a branch with a cleft graft at the top, or is it too much? Thanks!

Yes, Kelley, you can. If you have several branches, you can cleft graft them at once. Keep grafts away from direct sun at first.

Try to place grafts on branches closer to the trunk ( less suckers to remove).

Last question, I promise! (For now lol). Our temps are ranging from the upper eighties to low/mid-nineties - can I leave my grafted trees to heal outside as long as they are in complete shade?

that is excellent growing temperatures. As long a it is not windy or the graft has formed and is growing well.

That graft got full sun in the low 90's and is under a lamp on the bud only for 6 more hoursIn the sun outside