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Growing Squash in July

8 years ago

Someone said, “You have not lost the battle until you have given up”. It's that way with growing squash in Oklahoma.
When I gardened in my back yard raised beds in town, I believed squash bug eggs were laid on leaves by some kind of moth that fluttered in, and so I covered my squash plants with sheer curtain panels that I bought at garage and estate sales for something like a quarter a panel. It seemed to do the trick but not for the reasons I thought.
After we moved to the country, however, I had to totally rethink my methods because what I had used in town didn't work, and I couldn't keep a squash plant alive enough to make anything to save my soul.
So that's when I learned that squash bugs fly in as.... well.... adult squash bugs. They hide under things that are on the ground, part of the time. The rest of the time they spend climbing up the squash stems, where they feed by sucking juices out of the squash plant. If the squash plant is still small when they arrive, they can overwhelm and kill their host. Pretty short-sighted, in my opinion. They mate and then eggs are laid in neat rows, usually within two connecting veins on the under-side of a leaf. The eggs hatch into tiny black spider-looking creatures, which quickly fatten out into grey nymphs, and they progress in stages till maturity. The eggs are easy to find and pick off the leaves but this is rather time-consuming. The nymphs are often found on the leaves huddled together. They move fast but can be squashed if you are a little faster. Sometimes when the plant is being watered, squash bugs can be seen crawling up the stems to get away from the water.
There is almost always a preferred plant type. Once all specimens of this type have been killed, they will progress to second choice, and so on. It seems, just from observation, that those plants that have large hollow erect stems, like summer squash and zucchini, are always the first choice, and the smaller, vining stems, like cucumber, or melon, are almost always last.
Every year, I try to grow squash, cucumbers, and gourds or melons or pumpkins. Generally, I have found that they love the nest egg gourd and cushaw winter squash, maybe moreso than summer squash and zucchini. And as long as I had some of those growing, I was able to get pretty far into the season before they graduated to Long Island Cheese, which is, in my opinion, the best pie pumpkin there is. My second choice would be the Futsu, which also is not particularly favored by the bugs.
I always do a little research during the winter months and last winter I learned that if you can manage to get your squash plants to a decent size before the squash bugs find them, they have a fighting chance of living through an infestation. That's if you are also diligent about picking eggs off the leaves and killing any new hatchlings and nymphs that you can. It's harder to smash the adult bugs, but the best time is when there is fruit on the plant. They like to lounge around on the fruit, and when it's hot, if there are any on the ground, they like to be under the fruit. If the fruit are hanging on a trellis, they like to be on top, where the stem is, under the leaf canopy.
I also learned that, as with many things, you have to “give” if you want to “get”. And so you put in plants that you never intend to get anything from. These are called “trap crops”. It's like, if you were hungry, what would you eat first, given a variety?
So this year, I started some yellow trombocini squash and some zucchini inside, under lights, about in early March, and set the plants out in May. It took a little fine-tuning, such as cutting out the bottoms of plastic 3# (or so) coffee tubs and settling one down around each squash plant, to protect against the wind that we commonly get a lot of in the spring here. These are also nice to have in place after the plant has grown some and it's otherwise hard to tell just where it is that it is coming out of the ground, so that you can put your water where it will do the most good.
It's now mid-July and I still have squash plants alive. Some are not looking very good because they have been fighting the good fight, and we have had hot, dry periods -- too many for this time of year yet. I have harvested enough young zucchini and trombocini squash to keep me and one of my neighbors in as much squash as we can stand. And so far, the Crunchy Muncher cucumbers and the cantaloupes, growing in other parts of the garden, have gone untouched. I'll be getting my first ripe cantaloupe soon (if nothing ELSE happens) and have been harvesting cukes for a couple of weeks.
I've had some issues with immature fruits dying on the vine and luckily I found a guy on YouTube who was showing how to prune squash plants by cutting off leaves that obscure the visibility of open flowers. According to him, sometimes pollinators have too much trouble finding the flowers if there are too many leaves, and if the flowers don't get pollinated, that's what causes shriveled new fruits. I did not know that. I thought that was when the flower just fell off leaving a bare stem. So I did that this morning, and picked off eggs, and smashed hatchlings and nymphs and actually found a couple of adults that were where they could be smashed.
I don't remember the adults ever looking this ominous.



Is it that I just haven't seen mature ones, or are they the males, or is this a new strain of squash bugs? They still smell the same when they are crushed. (evil laugh).

Comments (15)

  • 8 years ago

    That is a weird looking squash bug!!

    I really thought my main fight this year with growing squash would be squash bugs, since I've been quite diligent about picking squash vine borer eggs, but never imagined my worst nemesis would be deer!!! Our of 18 beautiful plants, I have 2 pumpkin plants left, but they're very healthy and rapidly growing in a spot that gets sun at 7 A.M. to 3 P.M., so I'm letting them do their thing. They're New England Sugar Pie, my favorite pumpkin as for the ones I've tried. I'd start more but it's far too late at this point. Next year!

    I do have a zucchini and yellow squash growing in old feed tubs that are very healthy at the moment, and the yellow squash has two squash on it!

  • 8 years ago

    Those look great, Jacob! I'm glad to know it's not just me thinking these squash bugs look weird. I have wondered if I'm just not remembering right about what they have looked like in previous years. The minute I saw one walking along the edge of a bucket, I thought how I'd never seen one that walked like that. They kick those funny-looking feet out to the sides, and they look kinda like they have galoshes on.

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    Any update as to how your squash is doing? :-)

  • 8 years ago

    I used to have them really bad on my butternut squash and zucchini. I decided to quit growing zucchini in the garden, since they seemed to be the worst at attracting the bugs.

    I also decided to grow my butternut squash up trellises and grow marigolds around them. Since making these changes, I haven't seen a single squash bug! (Knock on wood!). Although this year, I changed the location of the butternut squash trellis, and the marigolds didn't get enough sun and died.......but still no squash bugs. So I don't know if it's growing them up a trellis, or removing zucchini from the garden area that has worked, but I'm sooooooo thankful. Also......I grow things up my kids' old swingset. At the top of it, in one of the tubes, a house wren has been nesting every summer for several years........so maybe they feast on squash bugs?? But I haven't seen a single one (Knock on wood again). I'm thinking the fact that the squash plant isn't lying on the ground might be the good thing here.

  • 8 years ago
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    Ilene, this year has been a let down for the both of us it seems. I'm in the same boat as you. In the 5 years we have lived here, my parents tried gardening for 3 of them, me the other two. Not one year have we had our money's worth. I've had some good luck with salad greens, and beans, and cucumbers, but other than that? It's frustrating, watching other people have these amazingly productive gardens at this point. My aunt in southern Indiana, very similar climate to here, is picking buckets of tomatoes, squash, peppers, potatoes, beans, etc. Not that I'm jealous of her, and I'm in fact very happy for her, but it IS frustrating. Between deer, coons, disease, etc., our garden always seems to get decimated, from what was otherwise very healthy plants. It's tough. You're right; it just doesn't seem economical. One of these years the hard work WILL pay off though. At least I will have the experience in coming years. If someone asks me how to deal with blight, maybe I'll have a halfway decent, experienced, answer. If someone asks me how to take care of deer, maybe I'll be able to tell them how to take care of them.

    Do what you feel you need to do next year. A break might be needed. But do keep in mind I think you're a fine gardener, and I've learned a lot from your posts :-)


  • 8 years ago

    You are a dear young man and you will be quite the catch for some lucky young woman someday. Pick a good one as I'm kinda guessing you'll have several to choose from. Look for substance, not flash.

    Don't assume people in same zones have similar growing conditions though... They get different amounts of rain, have different kinds of soil with different nutrients in them. Their drainage is often better or worse. I lived in northern Indiana for about ten years and I had a great garden there in the side of my yard. I was horribly inexperienced and my dad, on a visit up from Oklahoma, just 20 miles north of where I live now, couldn't get over how beautiful my tomatoes were. We had a shorter season between first frost and last, but soil full of moisture from winter's lake-effect snows. That was zone 5 maybe... I'm in a band of zone 6A here. But I get hot winds, have rocks in my soil that seem to be breeding, and so on, and it seems like, so often, when rain comes to the area, it goes around us. Next life, I think I might want to live in Ohio. That's where my German ancestors settled, after the revolutionary war, when they were booted off land they had long-term leases for, from William Penn. It must've been a rude awakening for them when they tried living in their next-scheduled migration point after Ohio and southern Indiana, which was Anderson County, KS.

  • 8 years ago

    Catherine, I just love to hear the house wren's song. You are evidently doing something right with those squash!

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    Her zone in Indiana is zone 6, though it drastically changes to 5 just north of her. Their winters are ever so slightly colder from what she's said. Frost dates for her are actually a tiny bit earlier in spring and later in fall due to our elevation. Summer? She's kind of on the border of heat zone 6 and 7, and it seems they get pretty similar heat to us, at least here in NW Arkansas. The real difference is, as you mentioned, soil. She grew up on the Missouri side of the Ozarks with my mom (and the 3rd sister, actually the oldest of the 3 who still lives in MO). She says the climate is very similar, but the real changer is soil. Our soil here is full of breeding rocks and clay, but hers is a beautiful loamy, rock-free soil. I must admit I AM a little bit jealous of that LOL

    Of course, my mom says the garden their parents had growing up was beautiful. Full of rocks, yes, but beautiful nonetheless.

    On my mom's side of the family, also largely German ancestry as well as some Native American and Irish, they originally came to Tennessee, then moved to Texas, and then to Missouri. They've always been southerners. As for my dad's side? Straight from Germany to PA (Apparently we're distantly related to William Penn). For probably close to 200 years his side resided there until he moved here with my mom. He misses the cool air of PA, but says he wouldn't want to go back. The area where he grew up is rough, and a lot of the kids he went to school with are or have gone to jail. Drugs are big up there. A pity really. Actually, they'd considered moving there for a while to his grandma's old house. I was a lot younger. We didn't though, as he said he just had a very bad feeling about it. It's probably a blessing we didn't.

    Im not sure where I would want to live if given a choice of almost anywhere. I guess wherever the good Lord puts me.

    Catherine, I must have missed your post. What an interesting idea to grow up a swing set! Can you share some pictures? It sounds as if your squash is doing really well.

  • 8 years ago

    Another note that I thought you'd find funny: My great grandpa (mom's side) had a beautiful garden. He himself ate a lot potatoes, so he had an entire field of potatoes because he loved them so much. On top of that, they had their normal vegetable garden, which was very large. He and my great grandma initially dug all of this, by hand, with a shovel for years. They had great big walls of rock surrounding their property fence line. Absolutely crazy. My grandma says they were so excited when they finally got a plough, but that was not until she was somewhat older.


  • 8 years ago

    Sounds familiar, somehow...

  • 8 years ago

    Did your German ancestors come to PA from Bremen in the 1700's with their pastor, Alexander Mack? I have some ship's rosters, because that's when/how my Hufford/Hufferd/Hoffart ancestors came over. We might indeed be related. LOL It was told to me that they never owned land in PA because William Penn owned it all and he was very persuasive in getting them to take out long-term leases on whatever land they wanted, saying it would be "theirs" for as long as they lived. Then after the Rev. war, William Penn lost it all, and the soldiers who fought were given paper that gave them the right to bid on parcels of land and pay for the land with those pieces of paper, as they were not paid for their military service. All the barns, stables, mills and mill-races, gardens, everything the Germans built between their arrival and the end of the war, were siezed and auctioned off to soldiers.

  • 7 years ago

    I believe the bug in the original post is a leaf footed bug. Just as evil as squash bugs. Maybe more so, because they eat everything, not just squash.

  • 7 years ago

    Oh, Amy, that's a real bummer to find that out!! Yet ANOTHER dang disastrous bug?? I guess Mother Nature must just hate me.

    I have two squash plants left, still yet, though they've had a bad
    infestation and I kill them at all stages whenever I look them over in
    the morning and whenever I water them. I had two little zucchini on one
    of the plants but they both became limp, turned yellow, and at that
    point I picked them off. So far there are none on my cucumbers and the
    plants are still bearing, so maybe they are doing their job as a trap
    crop.

    We have a mole here now. So much rock in our soil, I have no idea how we could've gotten one, though we know someone who traps things like that and relocates them and he has the kind of sense of humor that he might think it's funny to do this to us. But I don't actually know that he has. I can't see a mole making it all the way out here unassisted and in 8 years of living here, we have never had one before, nor have any of our neighbors. We can see where it apparently ran along across the ground, then dug a hole, went a little distance, came out, ran some more, dug, repeat. If anybody would've told me we'd have a mole out here I would've thought they were crazy.


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