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Look what I found, ID suggestions please

8 years ago
last modified: 8 years ago

Got this yesterday, excited it has 3 pups coming through. It had been braided & was coming apart, so I asked them to hold it for several days & took the band (off from the braids).



Top dressed w/ tiny rounded rocks.




This is rock hard peaty mix, I had to set it in a bowl of water to soak; camera batteries died too. To be continued.

Would love ID suggestions, could it be Boncel?


Editted to Add: should have also tagged this post for Cactus & Succulents forum too, not Houseplants. I don't see that option (to edit the tags) anywhere here. Also interesting to note it now advises one has 30 minutes in which to Edit the Post; that seems new.

Comments (24)

  • 8 years ago

    I think it's a variety of Sansevieria (Snake plant family).

  • 8 years ago

    I think so too, Jurasico. I've see them in Lowe's and I believe that's what they were tagged as.

  • 8 years ago
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    I don't think it is boncel (I believe proper ID is Sansevieria cylindrica var patula 'Boncel'...) but it is Sansevieria cylindrica. There are few sp available. Boncel has shorter and fatter leaves IIRC, and seems to be bit more neat :) One I have grows all over the place, I read that many sp could grow as much as 7' tall...probably not in typical pot (at least I hope so! No room for another giant plant).

  • 8 years ago

    I think you're only allowed to edit the cross posts at posting time.

  • 8 years ago
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    Sorry, should have said Sans Boncel, the Sans. folks know that's what I meant (like Rina). Yes thanks, definitely some form of cylindrica.

    It was also banded down below to keep them together before they grew together well enough to stay.

    Have since separated them, each individual leaf has a pup on it. Hope to post more pix tomorrow, am considering how to pot them up.

    PS: The cross posting comes AFTER the Comment, my mistake, I forgot that.

  • 8 years ago

    Handsome plant. Hope it does well for you.

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked socks
  • 8 years ago

    Karen, I think Rina is correct -- a Sansevieria cylindrica. I had the same experience she did with it -- grows all over the place, big and wide, tall....yikes! It's a prolific plant. But it does take pretty much the same type and amount of care as any Sans. I found with mine that all pups grew out to be skinnier than the original leaves that were braided. It looks like that may be happening with yours also.

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked robinswfl
  • 8 years ago

    Thx, Robin & Rina, seems to be that. Tho' I haven't had a chance to check in Hermine's book. I didn't remember S cylindrica to have ridges, which this does.

    Here's the group all dug out of that rock hard soil. I split a couple of these that had grown together (at the roots), and MAY be regretting that. Current plan is to pot them up in 2 clay pots so I can try them in different places in my apmt.


    We shall see.

    So this would be in one pot, and a 2nd just like it.

    Was pleased to have talked the vendor down to $10, especially w/ 3 pups.

  • 8 years ago
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    Fingers crossed for you, Karen. I would love to find a less-common sans here in Mexico.

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked ariel7576 (Puerto Vallarta, Mex.)
  • 8 years ago

    That’s so kind of you. Unfortunately, I don’t think it would make it through customs (although I have managed to get seeds from Taiwan). But even if it did, the post office here is too slow; it takes literally months to get anything from outside Mexico.

  • 8 years ago

    I’m thinking this may be Patens. Two reasons, the deep grooves and the tapered tips. Patens was one of the plants from the research in Hawaii.

  • 8 years ago

    Hi Barb,

    Thx, I'd be delighted if it turns out to be S patens. That's the 1st fan shaped Sans I ever saw & like the form. I had one some years ago, don't remember what happened. The grooves really are quite prominent, the tapered tips so graceful.

    I don't know what the research in Hawaii is to which you refer, may I pls. ask. TIA,

  • 8 years ago

    Nice find, Karen. Good luck with it.

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked SoCal Stewart (San Diego, Ca Zone 10A/10B)
  • 8 years ago

    Karen,

    Years ago, before tecnology developed synthetic ropes, the government did some work hybridizing sansevieria to use for the fiber. Then of course the synthetics came to be developed, so the project was abandoned. I believe the location was Coco crater in Hawaii. Some sanseveria collecters found and rescued the plants. The parents of the hybrids are unknown as I remember the story. Someone may want to chime in if I have gotten some of it wrong.

    i hope you do have Patens. It is a striking plant, looks like antlers to me. Makes a nice spiral form as it grows.

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked barbmock
  • 8 years ago

    I don't think it is Patens. Look at the base of the photo of the Patens plant and look at the subject plant. The sans propegates with pups like that. I just got some sans cylindrica last week and repotted it, exact match for the photos with each spike having its own pup.

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked Matt Barnett
  • 8 years ago

    It is a cylindrica but not boncel. Since you say peat was rock hard, ridges could be from lacking moisture. They rot quickly if overwatered but also resent the other extreme.


  • 8 years ago

    I know you hope it's a patens, but I have never seen anyone grow and braid patens. Cylindrica -- I have seen those grown and braided over and over again, all the time. That's what I think you have. That's not so bad -- they are wild and woolly plants, big and fast growers and fun to raise.

  • 8 years ago
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    I doubt it's a Patens, just doesn't look like it to me. Would like to know, but doesn't really matter as I'll just see how they develop.

    Took some pix today of them repotted.



    Oops, sorry for the blur.

    Here's a closer up to show the ridges are part of their characteristics, not wrinkliness from thirst.



    I did check Hermine's book & confirmed their are a number of different types of S. cylindricas, many of them ridged.

    Thanks Barb abt explaining the Hawaiian research. BussyV, it was a good thought, but no, not thirsty.

    Matt, don't know if you know this, but Sans can have pups that look nothing like their parent which experience I once had w/a Patens, so I wouldn't necessarily ID it that that way, but thx anyway.

    ETA: Gosh Barb, your Patens' photos shows them to be just gorgeous! Thx for the eye candy.

  • 8 years ago

    Who knows, it’s pretty hard to id leaf cuttings. My plant came as an established plant, so I didn’t watch it grow from a cutting. One thing I noticed looking at the Patens, there is a definite notch at the lower end of the leaf, at the growing point. I don’t remember cylindrica having this. I think Robin had a good point, not likely to find a braided Patens.

    Thanks for your comment on Patens, it is an interesting form.

  • 8 years ago

    Karen, I don't know much about this plant but was curious as to why you have them potted so deep in the pot with what looks to be so little growing medium. Perhaps the pic was taken part way through the potting up process and you added more medium afterwards? Or does this plant prefer to be potted up that way? Or maybe that's just the angle and perspective from which the photo was taken that makes them appear so?

  • 8 years ago

    Karen

    Don't you think that ridges on original pears look same as ridges on my plant - photo I posted last Sat?

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked rina_Ontario,Canada 5a
  • 8 years ago
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    Yes, Rina, they DO resemble the ridges on your 1st pic (the trio pix too dark to tell), very much so.

    SoCalStew,

    Yes, I did plant them rather shallowly, a Sans person who used to post here (Norma) used to suggest planting them shallow when rooting, I forget why. I put this in clay, cause the spears will be heavy / tippy & don't want to have a lot of mix in the pot, otherwise I might have gone w/ plastic pot.

  • 8 years ago

    They already have roots, don't they? So you are not rooting them, just repotting (and perhaps separating). I wold pot them as usual - JMO. I potted mine in plasic pots, in gritty mix and they are doing great. No support, not even big rocks I use if needed some support. The only thing I did is that I used pea gravel for topdressing (I usually use only grit).

    Karen S. (7b, NYC) thanked rina_Ontario,Canada 5a
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