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Chinese Elm is VERY Unhappy

7 years ago
last modified: 7 years ago

We have a Chinese Elm tree (not sure the variant species, might get that from the photos) that is very unhappy. We do not know if we are watering too much, or not enough, or if there is some disease involved, and if so, root level? Insect?

It is a bit overgrown and need of trimming, but the stuff we are seeing seems unrelated. I attached photos with comments in hopes we can get a plan of action for this tree. It is somewhat mature, and we love the tree. If it is possible to save it, we want to do whatever it takes.

We live in San Tan Valley, AZ. It is very hot here in the summers, and mild in the winter. Our drip line is one zone for the tree and shrubs, but we are open to creating a second zone. If we turn the watering back, the shrubs are OK for awhile then try to die. I just wanted to mention that in case we are over-watering.

Also, the tree is watered using drip line stakes (4 of them, 2 feet in length/depth).

I hope someone or someone(s) have an answer for us. We are sick with worry!!!

Thank you for your time!


EDIT: We were also wondering if it a feeding issue. We have not fertilized it at all and did not know if we had to. If that is also an issue, what would be good? Fertilizer stakes? Liquid variety?









Comments (9)

  • 7 years ago

    Looks fine to me! These are tough trees. No fertilizer. Great bark. I think your tree is healthy and you shouldn't worry.

  • 7 years ago

    im not much concerned with any leaf issues in october.. on a deciduous tree ... its just shutting down ....


    imo.. trees NEVER need fert ...


    ken

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Tree asked about here looks pretty green but otherwise trees can and often do (on deficient soils) need to be fertilized, same as any other garden and landscape plants. The only thing different about trees is they develop a substantial woody framework, there is nothing about this feature that makes them immune to mineral deficiencies.

    Local USDA Cooperative Extension Service office can be asked about leaf spotting and management of local soils. Including testing for mineral content.

    Without more information watering setup doesn't sound like enough for a tree of some size. Fertilizer spikes are a waste of money, due to the fertilizer having been concentrated into compact shapes that will have minimal coverage once inserted.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Many or even most trees have leaf-blemishes this late in the season. Or even turned completely brown & fallen off!


    Yeah, my Chinese elm (a bit bigger than yours) has needed some low limbs cut off because the tree spreads outward quite a bit down low, but w/my handy chainsaw the job went quickly.

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Branch removal of bark interest trees needs to be minimized because the more branches the more bark to look at. With much thinning of these types in particular often being therefore a bad idea. At least when they have an already open growing habit, such as with birches and paperbark maple - I have seen both of these thinned many times here, much to the detriment of the specimen in every case. And in my area many kinds of trees with attractive bark are deciduous, so that there should be no need to open the crown up to increase visibility of the stems.

  • 7 years ago

    OK well all your comments come as a great relief to us, and we are a bit surprised. Our elm does not look like others of the same type in the neighborhood. I looked at some of those and did not see hardly any leaf spots. This is why I posted. Also, two branches just up and died in the last month. One of them has the same different color all along the branch.


    I will see if I can get a couple more pictures of those branches. Of course, it could just be branch weight and they broke. Like I said, we need to trim her back some.


    Thanks for the advice about fert stakes, and the watering. I considered turning it up a bit. We are going to check the whole drip system Sunday for malfunctions, etc.


    Thank you ALL of you for taking the time to post your thoughts!! My wife and I appreciate it!

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    >we need to trim her back some<

    What are you seeing?

    You can reduce need for watering with mulching.

  • 7 years ago

    Chinese elms (I have the cultivar 'Drake') put out so much growth every year that I have them annually pruned in autumn. The arborist takes out about 1/3 of the canopy, a combination of thinning and heading cuts. This results in a better looking crown and also reduces the 'sail' effect so that the danger of branches cracking in wet, windy weather is reduced.

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