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Help with Cabinets- Benjamin moore advanced

7 years ago

I was painting cabinets. I didn't sand well with primer so I was sanding in between coats. however the scratches from sanding are showing through (light sand with orbital sander 220 and 400)



. After reading online, many have said not to sand in between coats of benjamin moore because it shows through easily. Well I'm fine with starting over but do I need to sand off all the paint off the cabinet or can I just spray a thick layer BIN primer over my cabinets (pictures posted)

Comments (14)

  • 7 years ago

    how many doors have you worked on? how many left to go?

  • 7 years ago

    Approx 16 . Time isn’t a problem . I’m just wondering if I can prime over this or how dobI sand the paint off

  • 7 years ago

    I think the problem was the orbital sander.....better to lightly hand sand. Not sure of the sanding to bare wood again, but I would avoid that like the plague!

    Can you experiment with the back of two doors? Prime one then paint and on the other lightly hand sand and paint with cab paint. Another key to lightly hand sanding before another coat is to get all of the sanding dust off. Good luck!

  • 7 years ago

    I agree to try hand sanding. Also in my very limited experience advance takes forever to cure enough to sand. Probably not the issue you are having, but I found I needed at least 24 hours before I could sand and paint another coat.

  • 7 years ago

    Ok, but what should I do at this time since I already have a layer of primer over and paint. Should I hand sand the top coat and spray a layer over it? I honestly don't think it would of matter if I hand sanded or not. I've seen a of responses with benjamin moore showing sand scratches through easily. Professional painters were saying you need to do prep work early. Sand cabients, but on primer, sand the primer. Then no more sanding. Use synthetic steel or so to touch up but dont sand in between top coats

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Kind of a mess. Many pros swear by Advance but some amateurs are finding PPG Breakthrough is a bit more amateur friendly. Hopefully paintguy or David Jensen will see your post. Until then, I do not think more primer is the way to go. If you prepped your surface properly, with the right primer, I would just try to create a smooth surface for the Advance.

    Good luck!

    https://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/contractors/tips-and-solutions/painting-cabinets

    https://www.evolutionofstyleblog.com/advance-vs-breakthrough/

  • 7 years ago
    Hmmm.... We didn’t have that problem when using Advance... used it for all of our kitchen cabinetry (which was built from scratch, so new wood) a new door, and some trim. Most of what was done was sprayed, but I used a brush for the trim. I hand sanded VERY lightly... barely scratched it it was so light... we didn’t even wait but a few hours between coats most of the time. (We did have good painting conditions, nice temp and low humidity) It’s true that this paint takes a long time to cure fully, like 3-4 weeks, and we had to redo two drawers in our kitchen when I mistakenly used a dry microfiber cloth on them before they were fully cured, but when we resprayed them we only lightly hand sanded again and then sprayed on another coat of paint, we didn’t prime again and certainly didn’t take it down to bare wood.
  • 7 years ago

    Update for everyone, I wet sanded and the scratches have gone away. Its going to take a long time to wet sand all these cabinets by hand. I have approx 20 of them and they are not small. Wish me luck. Problems looked it was the orbital sander. I haven't tried wet sanding with the orbital but at this point I don't even want to risk it. hand sanding seems to be working. It leaves like a smooth glossy feature top although my paint is satin. After wet sanding I will do 1 more coat and likely be done with this project

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    Your problems are because your sander is orbital. A regular sander like a mouse wouldnt have caused the scratches. However, if you sanded well with a regular sander (not orbital), and cleaned them all so they were free from dust, before you primed, you wouldnt have needed any sander, just a piece of sandpaper and a very light sanding. You dont want to remove the primer, you just want to make sure, there are no pieces of dirt, or paint bubbles, or drips etc. If your finish coats go on and dry smoothly, you shouldnt have to sand between coats. You may have to wait 24 hours between coats though. If any sanding is required, make sure it is done by hand and very light handed. Make sure to wipe down with a tack cloth between coats, and keep everything dust free.

  • 7 years ago

    I think the orbital sander would of been fine if I did that first then put BIN primer down. I started sanding after primer and in between coats

  • 5 years ago

    I am facing the same problem. Based on most of the guidelines on painting cabinets, I sanded the first coat of paint with 220 grit lightly by hand. After I was done I was so disappointed by the scratches and researched again.... I went ahead and wet sanded all cabinets with 400 and 600 grits. I did not remove the scratches all the way because I was afraid I am basically removing all the first layer of coat. So I was hoping minor scratches will be covered by the paint...False hope!

    After all this effort even the minor scratches show in the final coat. I am using high gloss advance and am hearing it shows all imperfections. I am not sure now if it helps to wet sand the second coat with 600 or 1000 now and have a 3rd final coat... that would be 3 layers of paint :/

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Sanding in between finish coats isn’t “sanding”. It’s a very light high grit scuff. High gloss is a mistake for older cabinets that don’t receive a full skim coat of filler. You might as well buy new doors as do that.

  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    The doors need to be sanded to remove all the imperfections. I applied two coats of BIN Primer, sanding between the two coats, inspected each door after the last coat of BIN, fixed any imperfections sprayed the doors with two coats of Cabinet Coating. Why are you sanding between coats of paint? Are you spraying the doors, rolling or brushing? If there were any dust particles on the first coat I would use 3K Wet Sand Paper to get it perfect, remove the dust particle before the second coat of paint, otherwise, no sanding between coats.

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