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Why Beets Don't Come Up (Trying This Post Again....)

7 years ago

I have not been able to get beet seed to germinate for the last several years. I Googled the question "Why didn't my beets come up?" and I got lots of selections. I found a forum where there were lots of suggestions that made sense. I'd include the URL, but I did so in my last post and the entire post just disappeared. I'm not sure if that's why, or if it was the fact that I edited the post a couple of times, but it takes me a long time to write a post and I'm not risking losing it this time.


The number one reason given for why beets don't come up is because the seed is planted too deeply. Seed size is very misleading with beets, because what you get in your seed packet is a bunch of "pods". On close examination, they are sometimes just one, sometimes several grouped together. You can actually pry off the little flat "cap" and there will be tiny, flat, teardrop-shaped seed inside. This is easier to do after the pod has soaked for awhile in water.



This is why, no matter how carefully you space beet seeds, you will always have to thin if they do come up.


The second reason offered was that the seed can dry out after it starts the germination process. Knowing that it's encased in a pod makes it easier to see how this can happen. I bet it uses up a lot of energy trying to punch through the pod. It was suggested that the "seed" be soaked for 24 hours prior to planting, and then after the row is planted and watered in, a board, or something that will slow evaporation of moisture, should be laid down on top of the row. They said that it's ok if the seedlings are under the board for awhile because they can live without light for awhile. But I have tried this method before and have found that if the seedling becomes accustomed to the moist and the dark, it is very delicate and has a hard time adjusting in the open. It may become damaged in the rain, if in fact it doesn't dehydrate and die if there is any wind at all. And I live in Oklahoma, "where the wind comes whippin' down the plain". So it would be necessary for me to watch them very closely at this time.


I don't understand why seed producers don't shatter these little pods. They do so for lots of other kinds of seed. It seems like that would decrease the germination time and prevent gardeners from planting too deep. This is a quote from that forum regarding germination time: "At a 41 degree soil temp the emergence period is 42 days. At a 50 degree soil temp the emergence period is 16.7 days. At a 59 degree soil temp the emergence period is 9.7 days. At a 68 degree soil temp the emergence period is 6.2 days. At a 77 degree soil temp the emergence period is 5 days. At an 86 degree soil temp the emergence period is just 4.5 days. Above 86 you start to lose days again. " That makes me wonder if it wouldn't make more sense to cover the rows with something like clear bubble wrap, and use those boards to hold down each side of the bubble wrap. I've bought those big rolls of continuous bubble wrap at WMT before. They would be reusable from year to year. I wouldn't recommend leaving the bubble wrap on after the seeds have been planted, especially if there's a warm, sunny day. Could get too warm then.


Lately I have been planting Crosby's Extra Early Egyptian beet seed that I have ordered from Shumway's. Shumway's sells different quantities at different prices, and I got the one-ounce size this time. An ounce of beet seed totally fills a 3x5" paper seed packet. I remember a time when seed packets were 3x5" for a reason. You got a lot of seed for your money. I am really losing my patience with paying $3 for a packet of seed that only contains one little row of seed down in the very bottom of the envelope. The envelope probably costs more to produce than that amount of seed does. Shumway's shipping is kind of high, so that's another reason to buy their seed in larger amounts. They sell hybrid Candy onion seed in quantity, too. Now that we know how long seed can be kept viable in the freezer, we could buy several years' worth of several kinds of seed at one time.


Crosby's were attractive to me because of the "Extra Early" thing, and also because they are OP, so if I wanted to, I could leave some of the plants in the garden till the following spring and then gather my own seed. I love beets and I get hungry for them every spring. Many people consider beets "a super food". It makes no sense for me not to try to grow them, because there is lots of room in the garden during the time that they grow. And that early in the spring, there are not as many insects around. When I calculate how much it would cost me to can or freeze the same quantity of purchased beets that I might be able to grow if I could get past the germination thing, the economy is obvious.


I also wonder, since the germination time is so long, why wouldn't it make sense to soak the seed longer, or at least, after the 24-hour soaking period, if they couldn't be drained and poured out onto a damp paper towel, then rolled up and put into a ziplock bag for a week or so, and THEN planted? Have those planned rows in the garden already covered with bubble wrap, warmed by a few sunny days and waiting for the seed.


Well, these are just my thoughts. I'm going to press the "Next" button now, after I highlight and copy my text into a word-processing document to save just in case I lose this post, too. Oh. I see it won't let me do THAT, either. --Ilene

Comments (6)

  • 7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    I have trouble getting beets to sprout as well. Last summer we had a pretty nasty drought throughout the season and I just had such a hard time keeping the soil moist for them, even with cardboard down. The cardboard does improve their germination rate, however, just not as much as I’d like. In 2017, I had a great fall crop of beets, but we had a very cool, wet summer that year, hardly ever even reaching 90 degrees at our house. I do think that when my soil dries out and warms up too much if it’s particularly hot, dry, and windy, it just crusts over. In the spring it’s rather cold and not hot, but it can still be dry and windy, sometimes far more windy. This makes up for it. I’m thinking of starting beets in a potting mix in my cold frames (They sprout fine in potting mix.), and as soon as they sprout I can move them all into the proper spacing into the garden. Beets make for particularly weak transplants, so if it is forecasted to be sunny I can give them dappled shade by laying some straw on top, which always seems to help with similar plants. If I transplant them when they’re older it always makes for weak plants all their life, but while young they never seem to mind.

    Drainage is also an issue for me. I solve this with all planting’s by mounding my soil in a hill so that the water drains into pathways. This is more of an issue if it is dry enough for the soil to become “hydrophobic.”

    Going to reply more in a bit, gotta get breakfast.

    User thanked jacoblockcuff (z5b/6a CNTRL Missouri
  • 7 years ago

    I have thought of pre-sprouting, as Jake you know I keep my peas in moist paper toweling in a ziplock bag till I see the beginnings of sprouts, and I have had good luck with that as long as I handle them gently and look forward enough on the weather forecast before I start them sprouting so that I'll have a warmish day in which to plant.

    I used to believe people when they said you cannot transplant things that have long taproots (which includes beets) but when I started doing wintersowing I did discover same thing as you, dbarron, that if you do it early and carefully, it can be done. I've considered making some newspaper cups filled with potting soil, then pre-sprouting in a coffee filter, and slipping each sprout into one of those. The newspaper cups then can transplant right into the garden without the plants knowing any better. But seems awfully labor intensive for as many beets as I would like to grow.

    I started wondering if germination would be any better if the seeds were free of the "pods", and so I have been "playing" this morning with breaking open some of the beet "pods" and I'm finding hardly any that have little seeds inside. Some have actually some white powdery residue inside. Hmmmm. This could be actually the top reason why I might not have germination. These are seed "packed for 2018". So it's clear that there might be a point to actually cracking a few just to see what they look like inside, as a test. I'm using small needlenose pliers to gently squeeze the pods till they crack open so as not to harm any seeds inside, as might happen if I smashed the pods with a hammer, and I wear magnifying glasses so I can see the tiny seed better. I had in mind to try germinating some of these tiny seed after extracting from the pod and finding out how long it took. Now, I'm thinking I'd better buy some more seed, maybe a different variety, from a different source. *Sigh*.


  • 7 years ago

    Well, you might have found the reason your seed isn’t sprouting. I tend to get seeds like beets at one of two places. One is MFA in Missouri. We usually pass by there on our way to my grandparents’ not far from us, so I just stop and get seed. It’s cheap and seems to be good. I bought a packet of Detroit Dark Red beets (probably a few hundred seeds) for $1 something last summer. It sprouted fine in potting mix but not in my garden. There’s also a local feed store in Pea Ridge (Webb’s?) that I not only get really cheap seed potatoes at but also good seed. I didn’t buy a whole lot from that store this past year though, so no idea if they’ve changed.

    I think pre-sprouting could be a good idea with beets. They seem to be a slow sprouter.

    User thanked jacoblockcuff (z5b/6a CNTRL Missouri
  • 7 years ago

    Well, this is a fine how-dee-doo. NOW that I've rewritten the beet post, I see my original submission has finally shown up, about three posts down.

  • 7 years ago

    Seven days after beginning the germination test on ten shattered beet seed:

    I kept these on the counter in my kitchen where it was probably in the low 70's most of the time. So far there are 7 seedlings out of the ten compound seeds shattered. There are now a few others that look like seed that's trying to opening up. Maybe I will get ten seedlings. Because the seeds were shattered, I will not know if there was only one viable seed per pod cluster, or if I got more than one seedling from some and none from others. If I end up with more than ten seedlings, that will be the case for at least a few.

    This is the test for unshattered seedpods.

    There are about four pods that have a seedling trying to break through. There are two of them in this picture.

    I would not say these seeds are the most robust I have ever seen, but at least not entirely devoid of viability.

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