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Serious schefflera problems

7 years ago

Hello All

I’m utterly desperate about my schefflera so decided to ask for some help here. Also, apologies if my English isn’t the best.

We bought the plant in August this year. The pot contained 3 separate plants and I repotted them into a bigger container. The plants were quite tall and grew into 5 ft tall ones. They about 13 ft away from the south-looking window (a big window, taking up the whole living room wall), so it is as bright as it’s possible (in the winter ), without being in direct sunlight. Unfortunately the air is dry in the flat, and I couldn’t really do anything with that, apart from occasionally spraying the leaves with water but I stopped that activity when the below described problem appeared.

From the very beginning I had some minor issue of losing leaves but since there were new growth on the top, I tried not to worry too much. Some of the leaves we lost were almost perfect looking, some were completely brown – not the crispy brown but rather the soft kind. These leaves would start to brown at one end (the end where they are connected to the stem), and then this browning would spread across the whole leaf before it drops – later the leaves on the same stem would also go through the same, and eventually the whole stem would fall off. The real problem started in December (I live in Europe, Poland, it is winter here now). I noticed that on one of the plant I basically lost all the leaves (together with their stem) strangely in the very middle of the plant: I still had leaves on the top and on the bottom, but the middle was bare. And right there, in the middle, one day I saw the trunk turning dark brown in a spot, and daily this spot spread up and downwards. This is where I decided to take some sample leaves and picture to the garden center where we bought the plant. The guy told me I should water it less (which I find a bit strange because I was so scared of root rot that I eventually went down to watering it once in every 2-3 weeks), and he didn’t think it was fungus or bacteria. Honestly, I don’t have much trust in his words because the same guy told me to use standard flower soil for repotting, whereas on every forum on the internet I saw I should use much looser ground.

Anyway, I went home and we lifted the plants out of the pot to check for root rot. I didn’t find any mushy or brown roots on any of the 3 plants. The roots were white, if a bit dry. Since the last water was about a week prior to this root check, the ground among the roots was still a bit wet, everywhere else absolutely dry. So we decided to pot the sick one in a separate container. Since the browning didn’t stop and the top leaves didn’t look too healthy, I decided to cut off the whole upper half. I actually cut the plant right above the highest healthy-looking leaf on the bottom part, so basically the plant went from 5ft back to 1.5 ft height. Now we are 5 days after this activity, and I see that the browning of the trunk returned: it started to spread from the cut downwards. I understand that this plant is most probably a goner as also the bottom leaves look brown and dying. I’m writing to this forum because I’m scared that in case the same thing will happen to the other 2 plants, I will just be sitting by and watching them die, having no clue what to do with it. Any of you maybe have any idea what this might be? Thanks for any suggestions!



Comments (12)

  • 7 years ago

    Definitely over watering. What are you using or doing to know when it’s time to water? Are you guessing or doing it on a schedule?


    plants should always be watered as needed.


    13 feet away from the window is also too far. You want it right up in front of the window. Sun shining through a window is not direct sun, it’s being filtered by the glass. The plant can definitely take that light and will do better.


    In your photo the stem is all withered. Roots start to rot and can no longer take up water and so the plant doing into a drought response.


    I would take the plant of the soil and inspect the roots. Remove any rotted ones and place in a pot just barely big enough to fit the roots and use a well draining mix. If you can’t souce the ingedients, get some perlite and mix it 50/50 with the soil you’re using.


  • 7 years ago
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    I use a raw wood stick for eating noodles to check the ground. But as I wrote above the ground was super dry, it was only slightly wet in the knot between the roots, so even with the stick, it is difficult to ascertain when it is truly dry, as i will not push the stick between the roots and get them all damaged. In the very beginning I watered it once a week, but when the leaf drop started to happen, I went for a 2-week schedule, and afterwards to the check-with-stick method. I noticed it didn't react well after each watering, this is why I water it so rarely. I also let the water sit for a day as I don't think the tap water is all that great.

    The living room is really very light, with sunshine basically all day long. If i wanted the whole length of the plant to get direct sunshine, I'd have to place it right in front of the balcony door, and that's really not managable :/ But I will try to find a closer place to the window.

    There was no root rot. As mentioned, I repotted it 5 days ago, inspected the roots, and all were white, no browning anywhere at all. And since the ground was slightly damp, I didnt water it when i repotted, and also didn't water it ever since, yet the browning on the trunk started afterwards. If it was due to overwatering, why did the brown appear in the past 5 days when I actually watered it almost 2 weeks ago the last time?

    So you really think it is not some infection or fungus?

  • 7 years ago

    Hi, Leila. Sorry the plant is frustrating you. Spider mites thrive when r-humidity is low. Have you checked for mites? You can do that by holding a white piece of paper under the leaves and flicking the leaf stems (petioles) with your fingers. The object of that exercise is to dislodge the mites from their hold on the plant so they fall on the paper and you can see the tiny little pests moving about. I can't tell if the photo is grainy or I'm seeing a plant that's been significantly preyed upon by mites, but it's worth checking out.

    Do you have other plants, or is this the first? If this is the first, does your tapwater go through a softening process (ion exchange water softener) that uses salt? Does your pot have a drain hole? Please share what you've been doing about fertilizing - what you're using? how often? the NPK %s listed on the package?

    Schefflera is a genetically vigorous, forgiving, and durable plant that tolerates dry soil conditions better than most plants that aren't succulents or cacti, so there is something wrong that should jump out at us and provide an 'AHA moment' once discovered.

    The dieback of the top of plant to the node proximal to the pruning cut is normal.

    Al



    Leila Boros thanked tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
  • 7 years ago

    Thanks, Al. I checked for pests but cannot see any. Nevertheless, I tried your method but nothing came off the plant (apart from a leaf haha). The photo is bad quality because my phone is basically a potato. I'm not sure if you were referring to those bumps on the trunk? I took another photo of those. Honestly, this is my first schefflera and i have no idea if those little bumps are part of the the plant or some pests :D if I scratch it, it looks powdery. I'd say it's the plant but heck knows.


    i have other plants in the flat, well some of them look okay, some not that much (funnily, the succulents). City water supplier changed something recently but no idea what. That's why I boil the water and let it sit. The pot has drainage hole, yes.

    fertilizer, that's the other thing... That very competent man at garden center said we don't need anything for schefflera.... So I didn't use anything since I bought the plant in August (but anyway I heard I shouldnt use any in the winter?). If you can advice what I shall be careful about/prefer, it'd be great, though!

    and about the dieback: i'd also consider it normal to a certain extent, but the brown is spreadin downwards at a pace of half an inch per day. Now it's 3 inch long, and whenever it passes a stem, that dies.


  • 7 years ago

    It didnt post the pic...


  • 7 years ago

    The bumps are normal, not a pest or disease.

  • 7 years ago

    Wow, thanks so much, it's pretty clear! Do you think there is any cure for fungus, apart from eg. providing better air circulation? Like some medicine? Not for this one, as this really is a goner, but i'm really worried about the remaining other two. One of them started to develop some brown stems lately.


    As for fertilizer: shall I buy something eg. for succulents? Or any general kind is fine? Not really sure I could find anything specifically made for schefflera here. And yes, if you could use some advice on fertilizing :) I read in other threads they recommend watering it in the bathtub for better drainage. Is it what you meant? Also, when spring comes (provided i'd still have plants...) i gotta change the soil (to maybe something like for succulents?)....

  • 7 years ago

    Most topical infections can be fixed, but systemic issues are much harder. All fungicides work best as a prophylactic measure rather than a fixative, but the best defense against fungal infections is a healthy plant which, by default, requires cultural conditions the plant approves of and doesn't just cope with. As a bonsai practitioner with a significant number of plants I've tended for as long as 30 years, I am fairly proactive at protecting my investment of time in these plants, so I use fungicides prophylactically as general protection, some of them specific to certain diseases and/or certain plants.

    While you CAN do that, you'll very likely not ever have to if you figure out how to keep your plants in a high state of vitality (health). The plant's natural ability to defend itself is inextricably linked to its metabolic rate, and as noted, the best defense against biotic pathogens is a healthy plant. One thing is certain, you can't go wrong if your focus is on identifying and eliminating whatever is inhibiting your plant(s) from realizing their genetic potential.

    You mentioned that your plants have stems that are turning brown. That might be a normal part of the process of growth. As the outer layers of the dermis die, they form bark, which is essentially dead tissue. I can't say with certainty that's what you're seeing, but it is a part of natural senescence in schefflera.

    I think you would do well to adopt Dyna-Gro's Foliage-Pro 9-3-6 as your 'go to' fertilizer. I, and many others here on GW/Houzz use it with very good results. More on that later once you decide what you want to do moving forward.

    How well or thoroughly a soil drains doesn't have anything to do with where it's watered. The largest impact on water retention is the size of the particles from which the soil is made. The smaller the particles, the more water the soil can retain. The best approach is to build (make) a soil that holds less water than soils based on huge %s of fine ingredients (peat, coir, compost, composted forest products, sand, topsoil, ..... , but there are workarounds that use some very simple science to help the grower reduce the amount of excess water a soil can hold.


    You might find this to be helpful.


    Al

    Leila Boros thanked tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
  • 7 years ago

    I was responding to Leila's question about the bumps on trunk. She said she had no idea if they were a pest.

  • 7 years ago

    ...... and I was responding directly to Leila's comments, not yours. I don't/didn't disagree with you.


    Al

  • 7 years ago

    Thank you, all of you for answering!

    I will check this fertilizer and figure out what is the closest thing to it from ingredients POV where I live.

    I'm afraid I will go through the same with the other two plants as well, one of them already shows some signs :( So probably I won't even need the fertilizer... I think I'm done with scheffleras :D Thanks again!