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Chinese Granite?

13 years ago
I've been reading a lot on the net on how Chinese granite is of inferior quality to others and even that it can be dangerous. Is this true? Or does all granite have the same problems?

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  • 13 years ago
    Bump. Am I alone in my concern?
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    All granites should be tested for radon--not just granite from China.
    that being said granite is a fantastic and easy to maintain material.
    PyramidDG.com
    Anne thanked Pyramid Design Group Architects
  • 13 years ago
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    Never even thought about it, Anne, but, read this:
    http://www.ehow.com/info_12183280_chinese-granite-problems.html
    Anne thanked elcieg
  • 13 years ago
    @judyg I think that may be the site that got me started.
  • 13 years ago
    @pyramid Design Group. How is it tested? Who does the testing? How do I know it's been tested?
  • 13 years ago
    Anne, from ehow again...how to test for radiation in granite.
    http://www.ehow.com/how_5879043_test-granite-counter-before-purchase.html
    Anne thanked elcieg
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    I agree, you can test any granite. However......Please be careful!!!! You get what you pay for. Why take the chance to save a little money?

    More importantly..........I would rather support our local businesses! Please shop local! Isn't about time we all quit giving China our money and keep it here at home!!!!!!
    Anne thanked Wyland Interior Design Center
  • 13 years ago
    @Wyland Interior In my search for new counters that are inexpensive but not "cheap" I have not found what I would deem "local" product. Most Granites seem to come from China, India and Brazil, with a few very expensive stones that are mined here in Canada or the US. I know the old adage "you get what you pay for," but I've found the exact same granite at home depot and kitchen design shops and the difference in cost is up to $33/sq ft installed. I know that I'm paying for design and project management with the design shop but I don't need those services. The price difference is similar between home depot vs craigslist tradesmen. I know that I need to be wary of craiglist deals, but there are legitimate people who find work on craigslist as well.
    Some people, myself included do not consider saving $1500 just "a little money." On the other hand, $1500 is not worth health problems or counters that do not last. I am on a budget, so I want to spend my money wisely are carefully.
  • 13 years ago
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    And, according to the above articles, China does not sell its own granite to the Chinese because the radiation levels are so high. How’s that one? I would like to know how it winds up in our kitchens? Who is responsible for this happening? I never even knew about this until Anne posted. I don’t have granite from China, but that is only by luck, not because I was consumer savvy.
    Anne thanked elcieg
  • 13 years ago
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    @judyg That's what I've read as well. What scares me about this is China isn't well known for doing things out of concern for it's average citizen and yet (according to this article http://solidsurfacealliance.org/G-radioactivity-radon-issues.html) the Chinese government has "actually prohibit(ed) the export of the safer, lower radiation level granite."
  • 13 years ago
    Wow, sounds like this granite issue is a disaster waiting to happen, thanks for posting. Remember the Chinese gypsum/wallboard problems a few years ago that rendered many homes completely inhabitable? Why take a chance with your health and your largest financial asset?
    Anne thanked sheltiegirl
  • 13 years ago
    @sheltiegirl actually I don't know what you're talking about. Was it asbestos?
  • 13 years ago
    Going on memory here but it was a widespread problem several years ago, particularly in the South, prior to the housing bust. Many new construction homeowners were getting sick from toxic fumes emitted by the wallboard. They only remedy was to completely strip the homes down to the studs and rebuild. I think there were other issues as well (wire corrosion?). Many builders denied liability under the theory the wallboard manufacturers were at fault, but seeing as they are governed by another country, it made recovery/restitution all but impossible for the average homeowner.
    Anne thanked sheltiegirl
  • 13 years ago
    A quick search on "Chinese drywall" will bring up a myriad of links on the topic. Here is one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall
    Anne thanked sheltiegirl
  • 13 years ago
    So I'm still looking at Chinese Granite and the radon kits require "closed house" for seven days. That is no windows or doors opening for seven days. I don't see how I could do that.

    As the radiation comes from the natural mineral content of the stone, I wonder if certain granites or colours of granite would be more suspect than others.
  • 13 years ago
    I also wonder about the quartz made in China, if I would have the same concerns because it will be made from crushed rocks and have a certain mineral content as well.
  • 13 years ago
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    @Wyland Interior Design Center - Wow! That's a lot of info. Thank you so much for explaining things for me. I do by nature try to avoid the lowest bid, and I'd rather buy local if I can. I have a hard time because we are on a budget and it's hard to convince my husband that there is value in going with something a little costlier, especially as we might be selling within a year. But I can see now that there are differences. Apples to apples as you say.
    I've seen the solidsurfacealliance.org links but the trulia.com link is new to me and raises some really good points.

    Thanks again, I'm really grateful for the lessons in granite purchasing. You're the kind of expert that makes this site great. Too bad I don't live in WA.
  • 13 years ago
    One more reason to try something other than granite!
  • PRO
    13 years ago
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    Hi, Anne!

    Hey, if you are thinking about selling your home in a year, why not consider saving money and tiling the countertop with granite tiles? You could save as much as 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of going with slab counter tops.

    According to a local home appraiser in my area, if done correctly it can increase the value of your home and the buyers the same as going with slab countertop. However, this will depending on your neighborhood. What kind of counters are found in homes around your surrounding area? If slab, go with slab or consider doing just an island or peninsula in a decorative tile layout. There are also many wood or glass countertop that can be less than expensive than stone. The name of the game is to set yourself apart from the other homes and consider something "out of the box" so buyer's will remember your home.

    When I have a client that is on a tight budget, to stretch their budget, we have decide to go with granite tile. Instead on a typical straight laid pattern and the typical self bull-nosed and polished edge, consider laying it on the diagonal with decorative details and nicer edge details like a V-cap, metal listello or chair rail edge.

    The BIGGEST recommendation..... Go with a very small grout line and use Laticrete's Spectralock Epoxy Grout. It will not stain, mold or mildew, chip out like your old standard grouts and it will never need to be seal! When you sell your home make nice sign decribing the attributes of the grout.
    Anne thanked Wyland Interior Design Center
  • 13 years ago
    @Wyland Interior Design Center they look nice but isn't the labour quite expensive. In our case the labour to install our backsplash will be at least as much as the counter installation and there's a bit more counter than backsplash. I have looked at reclaimed wood and I can get that installed for about the same price as Home Depot granite (about $4k), but the price I've gotten for the Chinese granite is half what the depot wants (about $2k). This makes me very suspicious of the Chinese granite. If we sell, we will still be in the same complex so we don't want to cheap out entirely because whoever buys it will be a neighbour.
    Here's the site of the importer. Not a lot of information there.
    http://tcestone.com/
  • PRO
    13 years ago
    In my area, tiled counter tops and back splashes are 1/3 to 1/2 as much as granite slabs, that includes the cost of labor.

    Yes, I have heard of TCE, I believe they are located up around Vancouver BC. I had contacted them years ago when I first moved to the Seattle area. Their prices were good, but back then it did not include shipping or the counter top installation. I would check with them, maybe things have changed. If it hasn't, back then I would need to ship it down to my area and then find a local installer. It ended costing more than if I would of went with a local counter top fabricator. Then there was liability issues if it was damaged by the freight company or the installer, I would take on all the liability. It just wasn't worth it and too risky at the time.

    If you find out anything different, I would love to hear about it. I would revisit contacting them.
    Anne thanked Wyland Interior Design Center
  • 13 years ago
    I am in the Vancouver area, which is why the contractor who's quoting the job works with them. It just seems too good to be true for their installed price to be $2k (half) less than Home Depot, when the Home Depot came in at almost $2k less than any other company who gave me a quote.
  • PRO
    13 years ago
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    Ask around Vancouver, Houzz or maybe Facebook to see what others have to say? Does Canada have a Better Business Bureau or something similar? If so, contact them also. It has been probably 10 or 11 years since I have contacted TCE, with them still around and in business that says something. With you in living in the Vancouver area that is good. Your contractor would be arranging pick-up and delivery, along with the installation, so he takes on the risks. Since he works with them, ask him if you can contact some of his customers to see what they experienced and maybe they would let you go take a look at their jobs?
    Anne thanked Wyland Interior Design Center
  • 13 years ago
    Trouble is we may not sell. The only reason we'd sell is if we could get a larger unit in the same building. If that doesn't work out we'll continue where we are indefinitely and I really dislike tile, so does my husband. It's got to be something I can live with.
  • 12 years ago
    @Anne - did you ever find any more info on Chinese-made Quartz? We're looking at it for a remodel and it's about 10% of the price of even cheap Home Depot quartz. But, I can't seem to find any info from people who've actually used or installed it.
  • 12 years ago
    @Jason - In the end, we installed the Chinese granite. It was the cheapest alternative and we were basically worn down by the experience. Everything we really liked was two and three times the cost of the one we ended up with and I figured if my husband wouldn't agree to buy the counter I really liked, everything else was a less desirable compromise, then at least I could have the least expensive less desirable compromise and use the money saved to get something I didn't have to compromise on.
    A couple of things I found was the cheaper granite was only 2 cm thick. So the larger piece actually cracked at a stress point. I don't think that was necessarily because the granite was of poor quality. Rather I think the fabricators didn't handle it well. They didn't make a template, which resulted in a lot of unnecessary pushing and pulling to get the piece to fit. They only sent two guys to do the installation, when the large piece was so heavy that if my cabinet guy hadn't been here to help, they wouldn't have been able to even carry it into the house. The area around the sink cutout wasn't braced in any way, which is where the crack happened. Without any bracing, I believe this area cracked because it probably twisted with the leverage of the weight of the large corner space beside it. Finally, the edge was stacked and glued with a very obvious seam. Again, this is all about the fabricator and installation and nothing against the granite.
    I am not concerned about durability as this (VErde Butterfly) seems bulletproof. I can live with the flaws a little easier knowing it wasn't my first choice and the dark colour makes them harder to see.
    One thing I didn't do, and I would highly recommend is to ask to see some of the installations they've done in person. Pictures at a distance do not show the details and it's the details that make or break the installation. Just like Wyland Interior Design Center stated earlier: the installation can make a great granite look horrid or a poor granite look fabulous.
    I got a poor granite and a poor installation but my expectations weren't that high and it's completely functional at a very low price and I'm no longer planning on moving, so it's all good in the end.
  • 11 years ago
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    Anne,
    I am glad you installed the Chinese granite eventually although you might not have a good impression on them. I know people are worrying about the safety and inferior quality of Chinese granite and quartz countertops.
    I own a countertop company in China deal with granite and quartz countertops.
    “I've found the exact same granite at home depot and kitchen design shops and the difference in cost is up to $33/sq ft installed.”
    The interesting thing is that we provided granite vanity tops for Home Depot before and of course some small kitchen design shops. What I can tell you is that Home Depot has a very strict quality requirements on their products which makes them enjoy a very good reputation in the market. However, they are not even paying more than the small kitchen design shops since their quantity is very big and they have a more say on the price and quality.
    The point is that there are thousands of stone companies in China exporting stone to USA. "You get what you pay for" is always right. You can always get a good quality countertop from China if you are willing to pay more money and spent more time on choosing your supplier.
    Right now we are providing cut to size or custom countertops including granite and quartz for Hospitality and Multi-family projects including Hotels/Apartments/Condominiums in USA. As far as I can see, the Chinese granite and quartz countertops are very popular in USA market and our clients are very satisfied with our products.
    I just wish people can have a good view of Made-in-China products.
    Tracy
    Chinese Countertops Inc.
    http://www.chinesecountertops.com/
  • 11 years ago

    I realize the updates are a few months old however, is there anyone that can provide a company name that has been used for a specific Chinese granite shop?

  • 11 years ago
    No. Not just no but HELL NO.
    Do you have a death wish?

    I lived in China. For years.

    Pony up for US or EU granite.
  • PRO
    11 years ago

    Leave a few utensil out for a few days, if they corrode or disappear, you know what they say its the truth.

  • 11 years ago
    No. Utensils corroding after two days is not enough.
    Poison.
    This stuff is poison.
    DO NOT buy it.
  • 11 years ago

    okkkay. thank you! I suppose I'll just go to the local quarry. :-) I read a few comments from people that used the products. Looking to save some money and gain some insight. However, I have no desire to have anything corrode for any reason.

  • 11 years ago
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    Oh for goodness sake. I've lived with the stuff for a year and nothing has corroded and no one has been poisoned. If my utensils disappear, it's because my husband put them in the dishwasher. Honestly. Get a grip guys.

  • 11 years ago

    Thank you Anne! What company did you use and was the shipping very expensive. I want to weight all of my options. I have a fabricator I just want prices other than the big box stores and the quarries. Any input would be great.

  • 11 years ago

    If you have a fabricator, they should have sources they use and trust. That's basically how I ended up with what I got. The counter fabricator showed me samples and once I knew more or less what I wanted, he sent me to a warehouse where the slabs were kept by the importer. Once I got there, they tried to upsell me on all sorts of beautiful but very expensive imported marbles and high-end quartz and other granites, so be forewarned -- it is extremely tempting. The importer had slabs from everywhere, not just from China. I think this is the safest bet, because they are buying for quality from all countries. I guess it depends on where you live as well.

  • PRO
    9 years ago
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    Just sayin...a Home Depot vanity/counter purchase was problematic because the factory "forgot" to make the counter top--putting a renovation two months behind schedule, fouling up other trade schedules on the project and resulting in loss of those trusted trades who could not delay other commitments. We are trying to get Home Depot as the primary contractor to step up and reimburse losses, but they are not responding. Home Depot can be a lesser cost resource, but often requires greated time and attention in project management. In this case, there is a serious loss and a failure to respond appropriately. Our preferred supplier (Floform) has focused on Cambria which was not wanted for this project--hence our risky choice. Lesson learned.

  • 9 years ago

    Just wanted to chime in for the people saying "Buy Local!" for many strains of expensive granite, there is no local. If you want Blue Bahia, or Blue Louise, it's quarried in Brazil, period, end of story, 100%, that's it. There is no Pennsylvania Blue Louise, or California Blue Bahia. If you buy it in the US is came from Brazil. If you import it from China, it came from Brazil. If you buy it from India, it came from Brazil. So the idea of it having more radiation because Chinese stones have more radiation is silly. Granite that originates from China is going to have more radiation, but stones from low radiation areas are not being storied in nuclear waste facilities in China. Call your stone supply warehouse and ask why their prices are so high. I ended up importing Blue Bahia from China because it was SO expensive locally for reasons I could not discern since the store are importing cut slabs anyway - where is the markup? I can get 500sqft of Bahia all day from Aliababa for $4600, and 500sqft of Blue Bahia in Denver costs $60,000. Please explain the mark-up to me, since we know definitively that the ONLY source for the stone is Brazil, and they are NOT cutting the slabs locally.

  • PRO
    9 years ago
    With all due respects, everybody I'm sure is quite aware that granites and quartz slab products come from all around the world and not from their local area.

    • Buying "Local" is exactly what it means. Buy from a "Local" fabricator, one who is is fabricating countertops. Other local sources for countertops are kitchen cabinet stores, design centers and some flooring stores.

    • Buying "Local" means going to a "Local" slab yard in your area that can better info the consumer on the differences, pros and cons of the different slabs they carry. Where they purchase their slabs from.

    Not all Chinese origin granite slabs are bad. It depends on where and what company that "Local" slab yard is purchasing them from.

    Many of the bad Chinese granites have several pit holes that have been filled (considered a lower grade) or they come with many fissures, cracks or veins that are unstable, so they back them with a fiberglass mesh that helps stabilize and hold them together. Not all slabs are alike.
  • PRO
    9 years ago

    The radon from the soil under your home is more of a problem and more likely a larger health risk than radon from granite. In addition, any radon (if any) that comes from granite countertop it will be diluted because most homes are well-ventilated.

    On the general note, it is extremely unlikely that granite countertop will increase radiation dose above the normal because dangerous levels radiation come from the soil and the rocks.

    As for buying "local", it means exactly as Wyland IDC explained, getting from a local Granite distributor or your local fabricator...


  • 8 years ago
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    Anne--a decent fabricator ought to be able to fix your cracked granite. My granite chipped around the undermounted sink (my fault entirely). The fabricator who installed came out, filled the areas with a matching expoxy, sanded it and polished it. You can't even tell where the chips were. A crack would be easy to fix.

  • 8 years ago

    There is no risk from radon in granite. This is absolutely 100% unmitigated (see what I did there?) B.S. with no scientific backing other than fear mongering by uneducated fools. The amount of radon a granite slab would be capable of emitting into your home is so astronomically low it is laughable.

    Don't believe me. Go talk to a radiation physicist or an industrial hygienist working in the uranium mining industry and tell them you are worried about radon from your granite. They will laugh you out of the room.

  • 8 years ago

    The good news is granite from China is much cheaper than other world locations in the event you are buying a headstone (major granite commodity). Radiation levels are irrelevant and since headstones made in the US are double the price, it's worth it to have them made in China. Anyone who can tell me otherwise, please comment. Open to suggestions.