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Need help growing vegetable (First time Learner)

6 years ago

Hello Everyone,


My name is Christian (Whale) call me whale and I will be happy. I'm interested in growing vegetables but I need help with it and since I am new to this. I've been interested in growing vegetables since last year when I figured out if math wasn't going to work out in grad school then I'll have a plan B and that is to go to grad school and study Agronomy (soil and crop sciences).


The place I want to grow is near my deck and engine pool. There is a cool spot I found that the sun directly hits once every other day and another spot that is near the driveway.


The measurements are 4 or 5 wide and 14 or 15 lengths. I've started to remove the rocks and now I believe is ready to go for me to place the wood. However, I don't know what to put beneath it. Mom and I are learning and she said we could put a black fabric to prevent the weed and on the side of the wood, we can add some mulch to look nice.


Here is the area:



second picture:



What should I do now? Do I still remove the rocks? The plastic has been there since we purchased the house back in 2016. I have no idea why the owners even put those there.

Comments (23)

  • 6 years ago

    First of all, don't use landscape fabric; it's bad for the soil, bad for plants and most certainly doesn't prevent weeds. Second, it's a little late in the season to begin a veggie garden, but you could start prepping for next year. Third, post on the vegetable garden forum.

    And of course you need full sun.

    Finally, perhaps this is a joke.

  • 6 years ago

    "Finally, perhaps this is a joke."

    I wondered about this myself. The sun hitting one spot "every other day" is what made me pause........not sure how that works :-)

  • 6 years ago

    Looks as if someone once attempted to lay plastic and cover it with stones. Plants don’t mind a few stones but the plastic has to come out entirely. The bed is small. The only weed prevention needed is a pair of hands. Or just one hand come to that.

  • 6 years ago

    I see people are saying I’m planting this year. NO. That’s not the case. The goal is to start planting next year. I just want everything to be ready and set for the following year

  • 6 years ago

    Almost all vegetables require full sun.

  • 6 years ago

    Alright, I will keep that in mind. If that is the case then the spot near my drive is the best then. Is there anything I can grow that would still be beneficial for me and my family?

  • 6 years ago

    My friend said is possible to grow something that is why I started doing my project. Now I feel like I've just been doing it for nothing :(

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Any vegetable would be beneficial for your family. We have no idea where you are located and you haven’t shown the second possible site. You also haven’t explained what you mean by the sun hitting ‘every other day’. You need to provide this information and ask specific questions. Not just ”what can I plant?”

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    If this is an old property there might be lead in the soil that close to the house from lead house paint. And maybe a history of cats using the bed as a litter box. Perhaps a history that would continue if a new planting is made there.

    Then there is the issue of the light exposure perhaps being inadequate. If you are thinking in terms of having a very small planting such as the space shown would permit maybe instead buy or make some free standing (portable) planter boxes, put them in a sunnier spot and fill those with purchased potting medium, plant vegetables there.

  • 6 years ago

    Here is the other spot:
    I’m in zone 5A. Live in central NY

  • 6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Soil is too wet and will have poor structure due to it having been churned by vehicles - looks like it has been used as some kind of driveway. Look instead for another spot that has presumably clean, freely draining ground in apparently good condition, remove the grass (if present) and make a new bed there.

  • 6 years ago

    HI Whale! Its really nice to see a young person having an interest in growing stuff and with a goal to study Agronomy, someone the human race will need more than ever in the future.

    I have a cool thing you can do right now with your garden plot that will help build your soil and grow better stuff next spring, its called a cover crop.

    How about planting a legume from the pea family (Fabaceae). They also call a cover crops "green manure" and what farmers plant when they need their soil to sit for a while like you. A green crop is used as mulch and adds nutrients to the soil.

    A good legume is a good clover and will add a lot of biomass (organic matter), and free nitrogen to the soil. Find some crimson clover, yellow blossom clover, sweet clover, white Dutch clover, arrowleaf clover, or berseem clover to name a few, and spread the seeds, rake in and water and watch them grow. But one thing, let them flower but don't let them seed or you will have weed seed next year, so just work the cover crop into soil before they seed.

    One thing you can do now and eat in the fall is Broccoli. Plant the seeds now and follow instructions on package and you will have broccoli this fall. So clean up your spots and start planting!

  • 6 years ago

    You seem to have masses of space. Is there a reason you are restricted to the two spots you’ve shown us?

  • 6 years ago

    @Embothrium Once I remove the overgrown grass I can send the picture and see if it's possible to do it here instead.

  • 6 years ago

    @floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK I can show you other spots but I am surrounded by trees. I can take a picture of the places I believe I can grow plants.


    @outpaientzero Thank you much for congratulating me o my journey of hopefully growing something in the upcoming year. Should I remove the rocks and plastic?

  • 6 years ago

    In your second picture, there seems to be a large expanse of sunny grass that looks ideal for placing a vegetable garden. Is that on someone else's property?


    There's no need to put anything beneath the soil in your bed--that will just block your plants' roots, and it won't prevent weeds.

  • 6 years ago

    I stated above that you need to remove the plastic. “Looks as if someone once attempted to lay plastic and cover it with stones. Plants don’t mind a few stones but the plastic has to come out entirely.”

  • 6 years ago

    Whale, if I were you here is what I'd do:

    Choose a spot in full sun all day and build a raised bed there.

    Fill with good soil, compost, grass clippings, fall leaves etc. to build good soil for next summer. If it's ready soon, you might be able to plant a few fall crops this year:)

    In the raised beds along the house, remove the plastic and plant some shade loving flowers for your family's enjoyment.

  • 6 years ago

    This is another place.

  • 6 years ago

    You want somewhere that gets as much sun as possible, that isn't too far from the house to run a hose for watering. If that spot is too wet, too hard to dig, or just for fun put in raised beds. Untreated pine 2 x6's or 2 x 8's work well, and will last ten years, IME. 4 ft by 8 ft beds are considered a good size. Getting the soil to fill them is the hardest part, and will depend on what sort of local resources you have.

    If you get the beds prepared reasonably soon (however you decide to do that) greens are easy and fast. Left to their own devices, they will also reseed and be around for years. We've had arugula for about 10 years now, and Russian kale for 20.

    Next year, if you want to plant things like tomatoes, pay very close attention to how long it takes varieties to mature.

  • 6 years ago

    What about here?

  • PRO
    6 years ago

    Sure you can grow something in that space next to the building. I would recommend you repair those sprung siding boards before anything else. Yes, clean out all the plastic and as much of the stones as you can. Put in new boards for walls and replenish the area with good soil... and grow plants that are very shade tolerant. Getting some sun every other day, you need deeper shade plants.

    The open sunny spaces are much more optimal for growing veggies- most veggies like a bit more sun. Then it just depends on what kind of garden bed you want. How much work you want to put into your garden bed.

  • 6 years ago

    We don't know how much sun any of these places get. Spots to the south of trees are going to be sunnier, therefore better, than spots on the north of trees. Those are the types of things you can know/find out, but we can't.