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5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

I paid an architect builder/contractor for a quote for the demo and repair of my fire damaged property. It's mostly smoke damage. I gave him a retainer of $1500 that would go toward his services once I settled with the insurance with the help of his bid. His bid came in at 360k but hidden in the contract he had put a fee for his overhead and services of 44% which I did not see before I submitted it to insurance. I'm assuming the insurance company immediately flagged my claim as suspicious since all has gone downhill from there and they are now adversarial with me. The architect agreed to lower his take to 28% but added enough to the bid so even with the lowering of his fees, the bid is now 400k. The bid went UP weirdly enough with the help of my insurance adjuster asking about additional work that he thought needed to be done.

Is 44% for design, construction and architectural services as outrageous as it sounds? Is 28% fair or should I look elsewhere because he had the nerve to ask for 44% in the first place and put me in a bad situation? If so, should I use an architect and a seperate contractor to do the work.

Comments (16)

  • 5 years ago

    Architects design homes. They don’t do fire remediation. They are t contractors.

    Paul F. thanked User
  • 5 years ago

    Yes you should be using a separate architect and contractor.

    Paul F. thanked cpartist
  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Is this a design build firm? Is he a licensed architect and a licensed contractor? Seems odd.

    Paul F. thanked HALLETT & Co.
  • 5 years ago

    The interiors need to be gutted and replaced, including replacement of structural beams. I wouldn't put that just in the hands of just a contractor... I want to update the style of the place while I can. He is a licensed architect and a licensed contractor...plenty of builder architects on Houzz so it doesn't seem odd to me.

  • 5 years ago

    Submit your claim to the insurance crooks and let them negotiate with your contractor.

    Do not care if they "Flagged" your claim, do not care if they CRY, do not care if they wine, I would not do ANYTHING other than demand ALE and refuse to change the contractor. Don't care if it is 360k or 800k. Not your business.


    I would not pay them one dime [other than deductible]. Insists on upgrade of all materials and tell your contractor NO BUILDERS grade materials to be used ever.


    Don't feel bad for insurance companies at all, since they scam of Earth, EPIC Fraudsters. [I have dealt with LibertyMutual protected the scum, the lies, the cheat]. Friends don't let friends BY LIBERTYMUTUAL.

    Paul F. thanked BT
  • PRO
    5 years ago

    How much of the percentage is for architectural services and how much is for construction profit & overhead?

    Paul F. thanked Mark Bischak, Architect
  • 5 years ago

    What is a "architect builder/contractor"?

    Paul F. thanked strategery
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Insurance doesn’t pay for upgrades either. They pay to make you whole, and that’s it. Design services for changes are an out of pocket expense, and have nothing to do with a restoration claim. If that was included, no wonder it was red flagged. That is all your out of pocket expenditure, and has nothing to do with any insurance claim.

    And no, there are not plenty of architect contractors anywhere. That's two separate roles. You need to be checking with your state’s data to see if there is a license for either role involved. Both architect and contractor are state controlled titles.

    There is no reason that a licensed contractor can’t handle the rebuild, including any damaged beam replacement. If there needs to be a structural engineer involved, he will have one in his contacts. If you want it rebuilt differently than it was originally, then all of those design and build expenses are yours to bear as a cash expense.

    Paul F. thanked User
  • 5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Ok, so 44% isn't outrageous to pay yourself if you're doing a lot... I guess. My insurance thought it was crazy. Maybe it was just a negotiating tactic. None of my wishlist for improvements was even on the bid. I found several architects with contractor licenses locally. I went with an architect because this is a high-end property and I want attention paid to details and finishes are important to me. BTW, all my architectural plans and some custom furniture was destroyed in the fire. An Architect was going to enter the picture at some point.

  • 5 years ago

    44% of what? How is the contract written? His fee is $176K? If all you have giving him is a retainer why are you submitting this to the insurance company? Have you signed this contract? If so what type contract is it? Have you had your lawyer review this contract? How the hell do you hide a 44% fee without it being noticed? There is most definitely somethings not adding up in your story.

    Paul F. thanked millworkman
  • 5 years ago

    Start with checking the state database online. He won’t be listed. As will none of the other builder-designer combos. He might have taken an AutoCAD class, but he won’t be an architect.

    Paul F. thanked User
  • 5 years ago

    Your insurance most likely includes code upgrades, which may or may not be relevant to your project. It does get murky when you want to change things rather than simply replacing them. We had a smoke damage claim once...we thought it would just be a massive cleaning job, but the insurance adjuster came in and said new drywall, new insulation, so we were grateful for that. In terms of itemizing the claim for the personal property, I found it easiest to do it as things went into the dumpster. And being very specific about listing brands, and taking it upon myself to research replacement cost, which is pretty easy with the internet.

    Paul F. thanked fissfiss
  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Be very careful how you proceed. One of, if not the, most important things to know before signing a legal binding contact is how much it is going to cost you.

    Paul F. thanked Mark Bischak, Architect
  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Hi, Paul,


    First, I'm sorry that you're dealing with the aftermath of a fire. If there's ever a good time to have a fire it certainly isn't during a worldwide pandemic.


    First, it's important to note that there is a difference between remediation work which deals with fire, smoke, and water damage, hazardous materials, etc. and restoration work which deals with restoring/reconstructing the structure to it's pre-fire condition-- subject, of course, to changes in code requirements.


    I haven't done a lot of restoration work, but I've found it's important to clearly and comprehensively document the scope of work. This will involve some combination of plans and specifications. It will likely involves one or more conversations between your insurance adjuster and your restoration contractor. Alterations, additions, remodeling, etc. would not be consistent with the scope of a restoration project. Co-mingling the two complicates things a lot. I don't see a need for an architect to produce restoration plans, but I would suggest they be part of a team for any new construction or remodeling project.


    Best wishes to get your home back in order with a minimum of problems along the way.



    Paul F. thanked Charles Ross Homes
  • 5 years ago

    Omg. Don’t do one more thing. not one more thing. Mitigate what you have to so your own insurance company doesn’t accuse you of refusing to mitigate damages.


    then hire a Public Adjuster. not one more thing. Your insurance company is not your friend and I don’t even Know what to think about this “architect”.


    don’t for one minute think you can navigate this on your own. You can’t.



    Paul F. thanked ILoveRed