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Old hoya new interest!

5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago

Good morning from Michigan!I bought this Hoya more than 15 years ago. It's always been one of my favorites. However, I've only recently become a hoya enthusiast and now I'm very curious as to the actual identification of this plant. If any experts are out there I would love to know! I live in Michigan so I don't anticipate it will ever flower and I've tried several apps that say only that it's a carnosa.Thank you for any information you might have!Hopefully the photos upload
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  • 5 years ago
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    Momma plant and close up of cuttings





  • 5 years ago

    Sonya, that's a beauty! I think it does look like a form of carnosa, maybe 'Chelsea'? Just a guess, since I haven't grown that one, and am just going by internet pics. Whatever it is, it's beautiful :-)

    Sonya . thanked stupidlazydog CT zone 5b/6a
  • 5 years ago
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    Thank you! Possibly? I've always loved this plant I wish I were better at knowing how to identify 😄

    When I first bought it years ago it was such a tiny cute thing!

  • 5 years ago
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    Sonya, how long are the leaves? Unless they're smaller than 3 to 4 inches long, your hoya looks to me like the species carnosa. It has a normal amount of silver-gray spots. All the many carnosa varieties originated from this species and it's one of my favorite hoyas because it's easy to grow, attractive with its dark green leaves, and flowers are pretty and fragrant.

    Leaves in pic 2 and 3 look curled at the edges, which makes them appear roundish or oval and similar to Chelsea. But enlarging pic 1 I can see the typical longer, pointed leaf shape of species carnosa.

    You have grown this hoya well, given your renewed interest in hoyas I hope you collect many more. Try not to get hooked on the beautiful variegates, there are many very attractive species that have extreme size, distinctive veins and leaf shapes in their favor. Obovata and kerrii are easily available and have interesting leaf shapes, pentaphlebia is a favorite and has nice veining and very large leaves.

    Sonya . thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 5 years ago

    Thank you Russ!

    The more oblong mature leaves are just over 3.5 inches in length while the smaller more curled up looking ones are just around an inch and a half.

    I will definitely look into your suggestions! I will try my best not to fall for those lovely variegated ones 🤣

    Years ago I got my sister a variegated Hindu rope and it was overtaken by mealybugs. I choked a bit when I saw how much they are going for these days since I bought it from Walmart for about $15.....

    For sentimental purposes I was on a mission to find one again and a very kind person gave me a small cutting on an exchange group here in Grand Rapids!

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    Sonya, carnosa leaves can be up to 5 inches long in ideal conditions but 3.5 is just right for an indoor carnosa. So I think the ID is good.

    I am a bit concerned about the small, curled leaves. It's probably something to do with culture and if you don't see spider mites I wouldn't worry about it since the plant seems to be thriving. Do you know what to look for regarding spider mites?

    Mealy bugs on a Hindu Rope with all the nooks and crannies would be hard to cure. A hard, fine spray from the garden hose would have helped a lot. While sounding like a drastic step, imnersing the whole plant for awhile in a bucket of insecticide might have saved it.

    It hasn't been that long ago that hoyas could be had for $5 to $7 most places, $3.50 at Walmart in a 3 inch pot. Prices of all plants are insane now. I collect aroids and a small plant of a particular monstera has sold for $6,000+ and it's not even rare. Plants of variegated varieties of M. deliciosa easily go for $300 to $800++ and they're common on eBay every single day.

    Sonya . thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 5 years ago

    Why would it not be an example of Hoya obovata?

    Sonya . thanked gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
  • 5 years ago

    Oh wow! Those are steep prices! I better stay away from aroids on a preschool teacher budget!!!!

    I checked the leaves over and under and have no signs of pests or webs. I do think it long overdue for a repotting this spring maybe some new soil will help the curls!

    I've never dabbled in fertilizers with my plants but had recently read that orchid fertilizer might be good for them? I'm always so nervous trying something new with my older established plants so I do propagations and test it out on them first!

    Thank you again everyone for your input I truly love this forum and always learn so much!

  • 5 years ago

    Gardengal, I see where you're coming from since most of the leaves look roundish or oval. But they all are pointed, and on my many plants of obovata not a single leaf has a point.

    I did enlarge her hanging basket pic to single leaves on my phone (which I couldn't do on my desktop) and do see that the leaves I thought were carnosa-shaped were in fact tipped sideways so looked thinner. A hazard of ID from pictures.

    Since I think Sonya obtained this Hoya locally or on a trade and not from a collector of uncommon types, I'll have to stick with carnosa for now. It's possible indoor culture affected leaf shape, or maybe it's an unusual clone. I thought about australis but it's not as common as carnosa, also considered Krinkle 8 but many leaves are smooth.

    Sonya, where did you get this Hoya from? The source might help narrow choices down.

    Here are some pics of obovata for comparison.




  • 5 years ago

    It was a cute floral shop in a small town I used to stop at when I lived in Ypsilanti, Mi. I can't remember the name of the shop but it was one of those places you went to order flowers and they happened to carry small houseplants and had a tiny greenhouse attached!
    I tried to upload a couple close up les grainy pictures earlier of the mother plant but my phone kept freezing up.

  • 5 years ago

    A few closer up, better light, different angles of momma plant if it helps!

  • 5 years ago

    My assessment is this is Chelsea based on what i refer to as "dimples" on the leaves and that many are round bordering on heart-shaped. Chelsea is a carnosa so that fits. The fact that you are getting some longer flatter leaves is also normal for Chelsea. Depending on conditions, the leaves may flatten and widen sometimes.

    Here is a picture of one of my Chelseas:

    I agree with Russ that it is not obovata.


    Sonya . thanked popmama (Colorado, USDA z5)
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    P.S. Welcome! And watch out, hoyas become an obsession pretty quick! But it's a fun obsession.

    Here's another Chelsea I just purchased in December. It was grown under some very different conditions so it has very petite leaves.

    Sonya . thanked popmama (Colorado, USDA z5)
  • 5 years ago

    Popmama, I have never seen Chelsea and thought it has a smaller leaf than Sonya's plant so ruled it out. Your Chelsea is very close and from your pics think you're right. I bow to your broader knowledge with hoyas, I'm sure Sonya will be glad to know she has a Hoya more exotic than plain ol' carnosa. Thanks for the correction my friend.

    Sonya . thanked Russ1023 (central Fla)
  • 5 years ago

    Thank you!

    It's so wonderful to get such great information from such knowledgeable people!

    This is such a great site. You are correct! this Hoya fever is setting in!

    Popmama, your plants are beautiful!

  • 5 years ago

    I agree it's 'Chelsea'

    Sonya . thanked iochroma
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    Russ, you are so right!!

    I think I saw that plant and i couldn't believe anyone would even buy it. What a joke. Even common houseplants have gone through the roof at my local nursery. It's sad. I have seen the same plant selling triple what I see them sold at at my local supermarket.

    Did you ever buy one on E-bay just to get it smaller than expected and the cost of shipping alone was more than the plant.lol

    Better off to drive local now a days.

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