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sink install for new construction

5 years ago

My husband and I paid a significant additional amount to have custom cabinets and vanities for our new build. We are at the point where the countertop guys need to install sinks and countertops. Although the cabinet maker had the sink dimensions months ago, he had to come back and make cuts (many of them sloppy and assymetrical) to our lovely cabinetry to accommodate the sinks. Does this happen all the time?

Comments (25)

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    It's a nonissue. I hack cabinets to death regularly; never a callback.

  • 5 years ago

    I’m not a pro at all but try and wait and see how it turns out in the end. Sometimes mid project/process it can be deceiving how the end result will be

  • 5 years ago

    Thank you A S and Joseph Cortlett. Sausage making never pretty.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Sorry to disagree, but a well-coordinated custom cabinet job doesn't involve hacking of any kind nor any sort of sausage making.

  • 5 years ago

    Charles I don’t disagree with your point actually just was hoping it could still work out for OP even if it didn’t start smoothly

  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Charles:

    In a perfect world, you are correct, however, construction jobs are rarely perfectly coordinated. When they aren't, it's time for the realists to do some cost effective sausage-making. Unapologetically.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    This is an ugly hacked cabinet side. The ugly cut works just as well as the pretty one, but since no one is ever going to see this and the pretty one takes longer, the customer gets the ugly one.


    No, the structural integrity of the cabinet is not compromised. The straps holding the sink in place create a truss that will support the top better than the unhacked cabinets did.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Joseph Corlett, LLC,


    In your sink replacement business, I'm guessing you don't do a lot of new construction installations. The OP's problem is a new construction problem. I'm assuming there's a GC in charge, in which case the problem is for them to deal with. If my cabinet maker makes a mistake that's on him to correct--either in the field or in the shop. But the end result is that the cabinetry works as intended and is beautiful. The homeowner shouldn't have to live with anything less.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Most of the custom cabinet shops I work with use a 4” flat rail along the front and back of the cabinet versus just triangles in the corner. It’s much stronger but always has to be site modified on sink cabinets but at that point they are installed and are held rigid by other cabinets.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Charles:

    It seem so me to be quite an assumption that this is the cabinetmaker's fault:


    "Although the cabinet maker had the sink dimensions months ago, he had to come back and make cuts (many of them sloppy and assymetrical) to our lovely cabinetry to accommodate the sinks."


    His having the sink dimensions months in advance is irrelevant if the plumbing rough in was changed by the plumber. And maybe someone changed something structural that caused the plumber to change the rough in. These things are of course all interconnected. The guy who changed the structural may have solved a major problem doing so, but created others and the cabinetmaker's getting the blame. Countertop installers are constantly getting the blame for uneven overhangs, when it fact it's the wonky cabinets following a wonky wall that's the problem that he had nothing to do with.


    I seriously doubt this cabinetmaker hacked through anything J Dun is ever going to see.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    @Joseph Corlett, LLC


    Don't know how they do in in your neck of the woods, but in my area, custom cabinetmakers field check everything in the drywall stage prior to fabricating cabinets. That's a key difference between true custom and "box" cabinets produced in a big factory. If the plumbing rough-in work is off, that gets taken into consideration in the fabrication of cabinets. And they get the sink delivered to their shop before they begin fabrication. Following a simple order of operations and using the same cabinetmaker on every job eliminates most issues.

  • 5 years ago

    Cabinet maker did not take delivery of the sinks. Here are photos to show you some of what I mean. Most of the hacking is covered by the sinks now resting in the cabinets.



  • PRO
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Pull the sinks please. Install Sink Straps into the cabinets. Drop the sinks back in. When the top is placed, there should be a 1/8" minimum gap between the sink flange and the stone bottom. Pump that gap full of silicone that matches the top, not the sink. Tighten the straps and wipe up the squeeze-out.

    The cabinet alterations are fine, just make sure they're deep enough.

  • 5 years ago

    Why aren’t they painted or stained before installation?

  • 5 years ago

    I think shop finished and site finished processes vary throughout the country. In my neck of the woods (KY/TN), no one does site finished but I've seen several kitchen on here and on IG where they are site finished. A lot of those are in Texas, it seems like.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    These are built for a flush mounted 2 or 3mm top, without a double thick edge it appears as there is no "rough top." The lavs are a little too large for each section so the notching was required, otherwise I would expect the counter installer to handle this.


    These have a more robust frame than any factory cabinet I've installed.



  • 5 years ago

    Ceasarstone will be 3cmm in all rooms.


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  • 5 years ago

    i mistakenly added duplicate photos. here is the photo of bathroom 2 hacking. I may be OCD but I don't like sloppy work under the hood.

  • PRO
    5 years ago

    Yea, these lavs are larger than fit in these boxes, therefore the hack, but it's unseen at finish. My advice to you would have been to reselect sinks or this. Your pull out would have to be 3" narrower to avoid the hack.


    Hopefully you specified a finished bottoms at the upper cabinets ("under the hood") as the standard is not.

  • 5 years ago

    First time new build (and likely last). I specified sinks and specified style of cabinet. I did not realize I would need to intervene to ensure GC spoke with cabinet maker and ensured a good fit. Making sure a house being built isn't a disaster has been the second hardest thing I've ever done (after learning to ride a horse properly at a later age).

  • 5 years ago

    That is the mildest of hacking. Custom does not mean top quality BTW.

  • 5 years ago

    Our custom cabinet maker told me about a job where he had already made the cabinets and his client switched from a circular sink to a square sink. He ordered what they wanted assuming the dimensions would be the same as the circular sink, since it was the same company. He told me he would never assume again and always have the client sign off of the sink style moving forward. Because on that job they had to notch out all of the cabinets the sinks were installed in. It really upset him!

  • 5 years ago

    Thanks to all of you who responded. Note, I didn't assume custom necessarily meant top quality, but I did think it meant what it says (built to suit=custom).

  • 5 years ago

    J Dun I’m with you. When we built I was astounded at the things that didn’t go to plan, somehow fell back on me despite plans being clear and people being paid to manage the job, and the constant chatter on this forum that implied it was all okay. The reality is that a homeowner will never be an expert in a build and they hire a team they hope will lead them well. There are very few other industries that put blame back on the homeowner as much as this one!