Kes, I don't grow it, but if I recall correctly, Jeri and Kim (Roseseek) have both grown it. I'm also almost certain that Jeri determined PDYJ is identical to Cels Multiflora. Jeri isn't able to post right now due to a computer crash and loss of her forum password, but if no on else chimes in, I can email her and double check.

John

@jerijen Yay! Hi Jeri. Welcome back. My memory isn't what it should be (never was perfect, but these days...). I'm glad you could clear up at least some of the mystery.

John

Help Me Find tells you what there is to know about its back ground. It's intensely fragrant and flowers continuously when it's warm enough here. Jeri experienced mildew on it in her garden when her climate was more like what we have here in Santa Maria, though it doesn't mildew for me here where it's often cool and damp with a cold ocean breeze. I can tell you it's fertile as I have raised a Hugonis hybrid from using it as seed parent. https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.73968.0 In a fifteen gallon can, it remains less than 4' x 4' for me, but everything is canned here. It may be larger in the ground or if not pruned heavily. I don't prune it much and it hasn't required it.

Kes - how big is your bush? Can you post a pic of the entire bush? (There are NO pics of an entire bush on HMF, just close ups of blooms and leaves). You may know more about this rose than most people on here, so share your info, please. HMF says it "has some similarities to" Spice and Odee Pink, and Cels Multiflora, all of which are old teas, or noisettes, or chinas - take your pic. The fact that you are familiar with Spice gives you a lot of data. HMF lists those similar roses as being hardy to zone 7 or 6, and up to zone 10, so you appear to be at the cold edge of its zone.

Jackie

Thanks, everyone for your replies. I'm not good at photography but maybe this spring I'll see what I can come up with.

Thanks for asking this question, Kes. I am considering purchasing either Ping Dong Yue Ji or Mother Dudley (maybe the same rose?) from Rose Petals next fall. It's good to hear about your experience so far - please let us know how things progress over the next several months.