I think you probably already have too much rose for that space -- though I'm not sure how cane hardy Eden is in zone 6, so maybe the 5 Edens will be OK. If you want to keep that many Molineux in the bed I'd stagger them a bit (like take out every other one from that row and place them more towards the middle of the bed) to give them more room. Of course if you want to prune them as a hedge maybe leaving them tight like this will work. Someone in Zone 6 could tell you what to expect in terms of the size of these roses, but I suspect they will get larger than you think they will. My Eden is huge, but I'm in zone 8B. Eden should get tall enough that having some shorter roses around its feet won't be a bit deal. The rose will bloom best on canes trained horizontally along the fence, so usually the lower parts of the canes that are rising up from the ground don't have many blooms anyway. I wouldn't worry about blocking the lower canes of your Edens.

@Tammy (Southern Ont) Zone 4/5 USDA Thank you so much Tammy! I have always wanted a rose arch but the problem is the fence blocks the sun. So if I put trellises at the very front then they will blocked the sun for the flowers in the middle. Actually I have thought about maybe putting a couple of vertical pillar trellises ( like 2 or 3) in the middle for the climbing roses so they won’t block too much sun... not sure how that will look though.

@K S 7a Yakima Thank you so much! I searched houzz to find out if Eden’s canes will be hardy in zone 6 but didn’t get an answer. I guess we’ll have to see 😂 . The area is 15 x 12 btw. The Moneliux is planted close to 2.5 ft apart so they should be ok. But I’m moving them anyways because now I want pink😂

I'm in a totally different zone, so this probably has no bearing on how big your Edens will get, but my one plant is probably close to 15 feet wide at this point.

with absolute blue sky above.. im thinking you are focusing too much on lack of full sun ...

frankly.. i dont think its an issue at all .. and you should ignore such as an important variable ...

if shade is created by overhanging limbs and leaves then it might be a problem ... but not blue sky ...

and nothing dies because of shade ... they just might not perform to expectation ... but that isnt going to happen here ... but if it did.. move things around.. dont get fixated on a garden that is planted forever ... when things dont work out.. you move something.. in the proper season of course ....

im curious.. it looks like the kids have a putting green to play on ... am i seeing that right???

ken

@K S 7a Yakima I just measure the fence. It has two 11 feet panels so 22 ft long all together. I probably only need 3. Two were planted too close to the sidewalk anyways but it’s too hot to move them so maybe next year. They are tiny now. I really hope they will survive this winter.

@ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5 Yes, that’s putting green. Unfortunately we don’t have anybody in our family plays golf so it became a play area😂

Cuteleier, I have 5 Edens and they are all doing just fine. After 5 years, they're not to the top of the arbors, but I don't think they will ever be here in my northern climate. They're bushy and almost always have blooms on them. They ought to do very well for you.

@flowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA I’m so happy to hear Eden is doing well in colder climate! Do you winter protect the canes btw? I planted them 4 ft apart. Do you think that’s too close? Thank you so much!

Cuteleier, I don't winter protect. If you plant roses suitable to your climate, they should be fine without protection. There are exceptions - our last two winters were so mild, I lost a lot of canes because we didn't have a consistent snow cover.

Your Edens should be ok planted at 4' on center. I might have spaced them a little farther, but it's hard to know just how they will grow. Three of mine grow more like pillars, and two are wide, one is wider than tall. You can do a lot to shape them with careful pruning and tying to their support. I happen to like roses to mingle, but if you're in an area with fungal disease, that isn't a good idea. In that case, roses need more air space between them to discourage disease. If you decide to move them farther from the sidewalk, do it before they get too big. Next spring, before they leaf out, would be perfect.

One other thing is that for more blooms, you should train the main canes laterally, and that will, no doubt, cause them to overlap one another. You probably already know that roses produce more blooms on canes trained as horizontally as possible. I don't always do this since I'm in a cold climate and try to get mine to grow as tall as possible, but I get fewer blooms because of it.

Such a fun space, a hard question because each and everyone if us would probably do something different 😂. If it where me, I would do a "circle" rose garden with the molineux (or a pink) and have the roses framing something with height, a bird bath or maybe a rose standard. The I would ounline the circle with a smaller rose companion (lavender or salvia would play nicely if you stick with the yellow).