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Material shared, and chili thrips...

5 years ago

I feel I have to operate under the assumption that I *might* have chili thrips in my garden, and have not exchanged cuttings of plants for years as a consequence. I have only rarely seen evidence of what looks like a mild case of chili thrips in my no-spray rose garden over the last 2 1/2 years, but I could attribute that to the possibility that I might have predators keeping them in check.


Having said that, as I am entirely no spray and would have no reason to expect any resistance to treatments in any pests in my garden, I wonder if it *could* be safe to share cuttings, even if I should have the buggers, were I to strip the cuttings of leaves and judiciously treat the bare stems with a systemic insecticide such as Imidacloprid...


I realize that if I have them, I could *not* expect to eliminate chili thrips in my entire garden since they are polyphagous and would be established beyond anything I could treat, but I would assume that such a treatment might work for a small batch of isolated cuttings. (The symptoms are so mild, they wouldn't be worth tackling in my garden anyway.) Since they would need time to root prior to being planted out, the insecticide would presumably dissipate before any pollinators could be harmed, by the time the cuttings might bloom.


Also, I'm curious... Is there any other ailment that might mimic mild to moderate thrip infestation on only one or two random plants in my entire garden for a very brief period at the end of the season? I'm in Central Texas, and I've only ever seen damage in or around early October. No signs of such yet this year, despite warm temps, relatively wet weather, and at least 2 good flushes of blooms having been completed on most of my plants. 90+ % of my roses have *never* shown signs of such, and it hasn't appeared on the same plants either of the last two years.


...but I do NOT want to risk sharing CT's, in view of what I've read about them...

Comments (3)

  • 5 years ago

    There are so many ways that chili thrips are spread, that I wouldn't worry about sharing cuttings. They can hitch a ride on nursery stock, produce, vegetable starts, the winds from a hurricane or lots of other ways. Cuttings are being shared commercially without being treated for chili trips.


    I agree that having a pesticide free landscape is the best chili thrip control. This includes organic pesticides.


    I have had very little success rooting cuttings stripped of leaves. I am guessing that you can drown chili thrips, so if you want to be extra diligent, you may want to submerge the cuttings in water with a drop of soap for an hour or so. You also might want to include a disclaimer about the possibility of chili thrips.




  • 5 years ago

    I have not heard anything about drowning chilli thrips.... an interesting concept.


    I would think if you are rooting the cuttings before sending them, I would not strip the leaves. I would go ahead and root them and the spray them in an isolated area right before shipping.


    Our rose society had a guest speaker from the University of Florida (they are doing extensive research on CT's). The guest speaker told us that Imidacloprid is best used as a drench instead of spray for CT's. The best spray for CT's is something that has spinosad in it. Again if you do not want to introduce that in your garden I would just spray them in isolation before sharing. Also if you want to introduce Amblyseius swirski to your garden they will attack the CT's. you would probably need a banker plant to keep them going when there is not enough CT's to keep them alive. Last year we were all given special banker plant and some Amblyseius swirski's. I notice a huge reduction in CT activity.... however, not as much as I would have liked. This year I did the drench and the swirski's.... even less activity.... not all gone. but better. Here is a link to an article that explains using banker plants.

    I commend you on your desire not to share the pesky problems.


    https://mrec.ifas.ufl.edu/lso/BANKER%20IST/XIao%20et%20al%202012%20Ornamental%20pepper%20as%20banker%20plants.pdf


  • 5 years ago

    Thanks for you thoughts. I still don't really know if a soak with a systemic would be a guaranteed prevention.

    As for not worrying about spreading a pest or disease, I would respectfully disagree. The reality that others are not taking adequate care to avoid such does not validate a lack of responsibility on the part of the rest of us. In principle, phytosanitary certificates (which double the price of roses come out of CA!) and other protections are in place in an effort to prevent such, and being private individuals should not be a workaround to avoid responsibility. On the contrary.

    With RRD destroying numerous rose gardens in my state, I have become rather sensitive to the issue of spreading maladies. The reports on chili thrips that I hear from many regions would suggest that it is something that folks in warmer climates should take very seriously.

    I would not want to share any responsibility for spreading a virulent pest.

    Drowning thrips would not work. Their eggs are laid inside the wet portion of young stems where they are protected and dormant. My hope would be that a systemic, which presumably flows through the xylem and phloem where eggs might be located, would kill them and prevent them from traveling with cut material.