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Should I replace Goldstrum with Tuscan Sun?

Heliopsis Tuscan Sun was new to my garden last year, so this is my first full season with it. It started blooming in mid-June and is still looking decent. Not as good as it looked in early August, but still decent. In comparison, Rudbeckia Goldstrum (which I’ve completely removed from my front yard, but still have in my backyard beds) is already looking tattered. It seems like I maybe had a month with it.


Is there any reason you can think of why I shouldn’t replace Goldstrum with more Tuscan Sun? It blooms earlier and is still in bloom later. It’s not as tall as Goldstrum, but that’s okay. I’m impressed with its longevity and hoping it won’t spread as aggressively as Goldstrum. Thank you!


Tuscan Sun:



Goldstrum:




Comments (23)

  • 4 years ago

    2 more gorgeous pix from corgi.. who claims her garden isnt photo worthy .. lol ...


    ken

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    I did it today!!! I dug up all the Goldstrum and replaced it with heliopsis Tuscan Sun. The Goldstrum has been temporarily discarded in a pile under my hateful Norway Maple. I have a neighbor who wants it and she’s welcome to it…it’s dead to me.

    I didn’t experience any aphids this year or any previous year, so fingers crossed that trend continues. I picked up some Russian Sage and Joe Pye Weed too, hard to resist the fall sales! :-)

  • 4 years ago

    @rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a) , your use of color is always spectacular! I can’t wait to see what annuals you plant with Little Goldstar next year.


    I looked for Tuscan Gold at the nursery but they didn’t have any so just purchased more Tuscan Sun. Bloom machine is right - I think the only thing I have that blooms longer is Rozanne geranium!

  • 4 years ago

    @ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5 , thanks, but my gardens have definitely looked better, they’re looking pretty tired right now!


    I dragged my husband to the Matthaei Botanical Gardens yesterday and was disappointed that most everything was past it’s prime but I should have expected that, given it’s September. I was very excited to see the massive Bottlebrush Buckeye they have - it’s huge, and they have a few smaller ones as well. I definitely want to get back there next year when they’re in bloom.

  • 2 years ago

    Hey @lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan are you still happy with your plantings of TS?

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
  • 2 years ago

    I was thrilled with my Goldstrum. It completely filled the raised cedar bed it was in and provided a spectacular huge displaly of flowers most of the summer.




    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked Esther-B, Zone 7a
  • 2 years ago

    Hey @rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a), TS is a great plant, but I do consider replacing it often. As you experienced, I too get those nasty red aphids all over the stems - they are so disgusting! And this past year the bunnies ate them to the ground, so I didn’t even get to experience their beauty all season.


    But they’re hard to beat for longevity; they bloom from mid-June just about through September for me. What other yellow perennial would provide all-summer-long blooms?? I can’t think of a single one.



  • 2 years ago

    Yup I cant abide plants being overrun with aphids and invariably, for me, heliopsis get aphids.

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
  • 2 years ago

    The red aphids are particularly gross; I don surgical gloves and then run my fingers up and down the stems, smooshing the life out of as many of the little b@stards as I can. My gloves up looking like part of a crime scene, all stained in red.

  • 2 years ago

    Just a small note on the nomenclature. It's GoldstURm rather than GoldstRUm. It's a German cultivar, hence the name.

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked floraluk2
  • 2 years ago

    thanks for adding, floral, I always winced somehow when reading...

    think of golden storm (to which "Goldsturm" translates to roughly), then you will have no problem placing the "r" correctly

    auf Wiedersehen, Lin ;-)

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked linaria_gw
  • 2 years ago

    I don't see much Rudbecia "Goldsturm" around here any more, possibly because of disease problems, though I did notice numerous excellent plantings in New England in early fall.


    R. "Goldblitz" is a similar form that's earlier-flowering and said to bloom the first year from seed.


    https://www.fleuroselect.com/trials-and-awards/awarded-varieties/variety/goldblitz

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked rusty_blackhaw
  • 2 years ago

    I am always impressed by the vigour of "Tuscan Sun". The one you see here has been in this locale for a few years now, in an area overrun with Buckthorn, wild grasses, Goldenrod and "Dog Strangling Vine" and yet it more than holds it own. It gets no supplemental water (although in this rain drenched summer thus far it doesnt need any ;)).



    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
  • 2 years ago

    "Tuscan Sun" is a bloomin' machine for much of the summer for me, as is "Venus" -- they don't slow down until end of July-early August, and even then after some tidying up they'll bloom lightly.


    Here's an old photo from summer 2021 of "Tuscan Sun" with "Venus" in the back; the plants are much fuller now:



    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked porkchop_z5b_MI
  • 2 years ago

    This is the truth about 'Goldsturm'. Goldsturm was a natural variety of Rudbeckia fulgida. It was Rudbeckia fulgida var. sullivantii. It has now been elevated to species status as Rudbeckia sullivantii. It's interesting that people can slap a name on a natural variety and market it, and make bold claims that make people drool. I want to look up the history of Tuscan Sun and Venus too.

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked Jay 6a Chicago
  • 2 years ago

    My Tuscan Suns are all gone - the rabbits ate them to the ground last year and not a single one of them returned this year.


    However, Goldsturm (”storm” - easy to remember that way, thanks!) seedlings continue to pop up everywhere and annoy me to no end. I wish the rabbits would eat those instead…

  • 2 years ago
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    That is interesting @lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan as the stand pictured just above is basically in the "wild", with rabbits and deer all around and they do chow down on other plants and yet this TS has remained untouched..fingers crossed.

  • 2 years ago

    @rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a), perhaps there are other delicacies more to their liking nearby! My neighborhood rabbits also ate my Pow Wow white echinacea last year - six of them - and those didn’t come back this spring either. I started using one of my kids’ old wrist rocket sling shots whenever I see a rabbit, but my aim isn’t very good. 😩

  • 2 years ago

    but my aim isn’t very good


    Practice makes perfect!

    (Wouldn't the corgis keep the animals at bay?)

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
  • 2 years ago

    I've been battling those nasty large red aphids that TOTALLY will cover heliopsis from top to bottom, they're disgusting! Heliopsis give too much to my garden to let go of, though I now must restrict reseeding for there being too many plants to be blasting with the garden hose. Some seedlings are every bit as nice or nicer than named selections!

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked FrozeBudd_z3/4
  • 2 years ago

    Yup @FrozeBudd_z3/4. About 10 years ago I had TSun alternating between Bobo hydrangeas. They i.e. the TS were so amazing in terms of 'floriferousness' but I just couldn't abide all the aphids and so I pulled them.

    lovemycorgi z5b SE michigan thanked rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a)
  • 2 years ago

    @rouge21_gw (CDN Z5b/6a), the corgs would love it if I let them off-leash to patrol the grounds, but if they saw a deer or rabbit, they’d be gone; they’re very prey driven and they don’t listen very well, particularly my female, who is younger and feistier than her stout older brother!! 😃



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