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Lighting for kitchen - no upper cabinets

4 years ago

Okay, stepping gingerly into the advice/discussion world...here are pictures of my new kitchen layout, with elevations of the two walls of the "L". (I always feel like putting the pictures first helps, with the questions after...). Still making some minor changes with the cabinet folks, but this is pretty much the gist.







Maybe I'm being contrary but I do not love tons of recessed can lights. I feel like it makes the ceiling look like swiss cheese. That said, I can see putting a couple of them in front of the fridge and the wall oven - maybe centered in the aisle, at 2 feet from the counters? I also do not love pendants because they break up sight lines. So I'm planning to do two flush mounted fixtures over the island which is 9 by 4 feet.


The questions I have are to do with lighting the sink, and the work area between the sink and the cooktop which is sort of L-shaped. There are two windows flanking the cooktop which are not shown and those face south, so during the day there will be lots of light.


I keep reading conflicting things about lighting a sink: One over the center, or two on the edges?


Would sconces over the prep areas make sense? I think that could be really pretty...Or should I really do cans (just in from the edge of the counter)? Anyone with pictures of these things? Thanks!

Comments (16)

  • 4 years ago

    8 foot ceilings BTW

  • 4 years ago

    Cans are going to be your best bet to lighten the space, but you can add other elements like scones. If you are into track lighting that could work over your workspace.


    gardengrl66 z5 thanked Rachel Simanski
  • 4 years ago

    You know, I always think of track lighting as tacky-70's but that one is actually pretty. Do you think they make an L-shaped track light? (a cursory search on Wayfair didn't yield much) The counter run is about 5 feet from sink to corner (7 feet if you go all the way to the wall), plus then about 14 inches of counter around the corner till you reach the cooktop.

    I suppose the placement of track lighting would be different depending on whether we go with a single, centered sink light or two lights on the edges of the sink...thanks for giving me something to think about!

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    OK my first adventure with Paint - red is flush mount, blue is recessed, green is track/sconce, purple on the two-light sink option I guess could be recessed or flush? please don't laugh! Just trying to make sure it's enough without looking cluttered. It's an open plan and there will also be recessed lighting in both of the adjacent living spaces...

    One light over sink, or two?






  • 4 years ago

    You won’t need a recessed light in front of your fridge. Remember…when you open it, the lights go on. So, it really isn’t necessary to have one there.

    gardengrl66 z5 thanked ptreckel
  • 4 years ago

    I did linear suspension lighting over my perimeter cabinets (no uppers). The fixture only has a 1-inch profile; my goal was for the lighting to not really call attention to itself. It's an ulta-modern element in an otherwise transitional kitchen, but I like to think it works.


    I have one 8 foot long fixture and one three foot long fixture.

    https://www.lightology.com/index.php?module=prod_detail&prod_id=89129&option_id=822670&utm_content=CCCS-7W-4S-120-30K-BZ&gclid=CjwKCAjwq9mLBhB2EiwAuYdMtfVR14GvX4qu1_qAgBllSMxc3-sTyeb6b4g2CWlP8MZ5UTOLPi2DUhoCqfYQAvD_BwE







    (P.S. I also think that recessed lighting makes it looks like your ceiling has the pox)

    gardengrl66 z5 thanked cawaps
  • 4 years ago

    @cawaps, that is a very similar corner to mine! In the photos you can scarcely see the lighting.

    @ptreckel, that is a very good point about the fridge. One less recessed can then!


    Anybody with an opinion on lighting the sink? One light centered, or two? I am thinking this is a shadow-avoiding problem, and I do spend time at the sink particularly in canning season when I've got a sharp knife and need good lighting...

  • 4 years ago

    I wouldn't worry so much about making the ceiling look like swiss cheese. The old 6" fixtures with their protruding flood bulbs were obtrusive but new LEDs in 4", 3", or even 2" sizes are far less noticeable.

    You might consider a cool cable system which could run over the counters and sink and even above a window. Tech Lighting's Kable Light is one system. Another solution is wall-mounted fixtures which could also be placed over counters, sink, and windows.

    I'd use slim metal or clear glass pendants above the island, not flushmounts. Properly selected, I don't think they'd be obtrusive as shown accompanying the cable system.

    -- amateur

    gardengrl66 z5 thanked wdccruise
  • 4 years ago

    That cable system is very cool wdccruise. This is in a small town and the electrician (on our first meeting) said, "I offer standard 6 inch can lights" as though to ask otherwise would be...I don't know, uppity/high maintenance/overly fancy...so I need to dig in and ask him and my GC about alternatives. Seems like it's really all about lumens, or candle-feet rather than the size of the fixture - he should be able to install whatever we choose, right?


    I also see that the cable system owners chose lights on either side of the sink rather than centered!

  • 4 years ago

    "I offer standard 6 inch can lights"

    Well, if he won't buy the materials, buy them yourself and have him install them.

    I used 4" Juno 17 trims (scroll down to see the color options) with the Juno TC1R remodel housing, Euri Lighting PAR 20 bulbs, and a Lutron Diva dimmer.

    I also like the Juno 17SQ, in fact sometimes I wish I'd have installed them (in living room, not kitchen) instead of the Juno 17.

    I didn't worry about lumens. I just made sure to have LEDs dimmable fixtures and bulbs with an LED-compatible dimmer.

    gardengrl66 z5 thanked wdccruise
  • 4 years ago

    I didn't worry about lumens


    Maybe I'm OCD, but I worried about lumens, beam angle, light distribution, and what height to hang the fixture to get good light coverage on the counters with the enough lumens per square foot. There may have been trigonometry involved. I also worried about color temperature and color rendering index. But then I was buying an LED fixture where I didn't have the option to just go and change out the bulb if I had regrets. FWIW, I have no regrets so I guess the planning paid off.

    gardengrl66 z5 thanked cawaps
  • 4 years ago

    Trigonometry indeed! I am sort of in the same camp in that I really want my prep surface to be well-lit so am trying to figure out the lumen thing. My eyes are not getting any younger...then again I don't want to give anyone a headache who is watching from the island seating, so not toooo bright...

  • 4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    "I really want my prep surface to be well-lit"

    An advantage of a cable system is that you can add or remove "heads" and pendants to obtain a desired coverage and brightness.

    "...so am trying to figure out the lumen thing"

    How Many Lumens Do I Need? – Lumens Lighting Chart

    Kitchen Lighting


    "I don't want to give anyone a headache who is watching from the island seating, so not toooo bright..."

    That's why LED fixture or bulb should dimmable and controlled with a dimmer.

  • 4 years ago

    Sharon that is a beautiful example of what I am talking about! Thank you for posting, I am saving it as an inspiration pic!

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    4 years ago

    Thank you - if you go to my projects page there are a few more photos of the kitchen from different angles